AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #90 – June 19, 2020, 10:31:15 am

Quote from: deags – on June 19, 2020, 08:48:28 am

For those saying a 12 goal loss is inevitable, and that honourable losses are unacceptable.
If we get done by a goal in a close game how will you interpret that?

12g or 1 pt, same thing for mine

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #91 – June 19, 2020, 10:54:09 am

Getting Teague (and Digby to a lesser extent) from North was a smart move by Pagan. However, getting Sean Charles and MIck Martyn were disasters. Such were the times.

We still don't really know exactly what we're doing through every reset and getting more desperate in the process. Meh .... I should care a little more than I do.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #92 – June 19, 2020, 11:22:11 am

Quote from: Gointocarlton – on June 18, 2020, 06:03:36 pm

Last year when we played Freo and won, Fyfe was going nuts and SOS moved onto him, ran with him and quelled his influence. So he can do a run with role if needed.

True, but Fyfe is not quick like Dangerfield.

I'd certainly pencil in SoJ to have a crack at the Bont!

SoJ plays quite tall, and is relatively mobile, and a smart footballer, is he an option to quell Blicavs and hurt them going the other way?

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #93 – June 19, 2020, 11:30:47 am

Quote from: deags – on June 19, 2020, 08:40:13 am

There's been a few people on here saying similar.
I don't get it.
Bloke plays his first game for us. Gets smashed in the first quarter, but without much help from his midfielders. Comes back to win the following 3 quarters.
So on the basis of what weve seen from this guy, you are saying he cant be our frontline ruck?
I'm not saying he is definitely going to be all that, but geez, give him a chance before we write him off.

Pittonet was the dominant ruckman after Q1.

That in his first game for the Blues against one of the true giants in the game.

Terrific effort.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #94 – June 19, 2020, 11:36:50 am

Quote from: deags – on June 19, 2020, 08:40:13 am

Bloke plays his first game for us. Gets smashed in the first quarter, but without much help from his midfielders. Comes back to win the following 3 quarters.

Sorry, but I feel the part in bold is just fantasy! I love the fact our fans support our players, but it has to be grounded in realistic frame of reference. Perhaps that winning assessment makes sense relative to what we've had available in the past, but not relative to Gawn at the weekend.

If he did better for a win over the last 3 quarters, by our assessment, then shizen if that's a win no wonder we are on the bottom of the ladder!

FYI;
(AFLCA Votes)
10 Petracca
8 Gawn
6 Weitering
3 Oliver
2 Docherty
1 Salem

How can Pittonet have won 3 or the 4 quarters against Gawn and not get a coaches vote while Gawn gets two second place votes?

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #95 – June 19, 2020, 12:57:58 pm

Watch the replay LP.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #96 – June 19, 2020, 01:08:13 pm

Was serviceable after quarter time but game was over by the time he adjusted. Overall he is young so not a bad first effort.

We could have Gawn and I still wouldn’t be sure our midfield group would take advantage of it. We have no clue when an opposition ruck is carving us up how to shark any of the taps.

I’ve watched games where Kreuzer was dominating against a second tier ruck yet The opposition midfield still got more clearances.

Said it countless times until we get some established ready made midfielders and we need at least 2 preferably 3 to support Cripps we will remain a bottom side.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #97 – June 19, 2020, 01:17:39 pm

Interesting stat from last night's game:

Tigers - 9 players without a tackle, another 5 with one only.

Sound familiar?

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #98 – June 19, 2020, 01:18:23 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on June 19, 2020, 09:22:01 am

We tried winning games in the here and the now under Pagan - get any recycled, desperado, washed up has been, as long they have experience and just cobble together a team to get a season like 2004, which falls apart very soon thereafter.

The big rebuild idea (in place before Bolton got there, for those who have no interest in historical fact), was based on the rather appealing notion of building a culture of sustained success. Whether or not it was successful, whether or not it was a good idea, is besides the point. It was a long term strategy, and much like the guy at uni who puts up with crap cars and takeaway food whilst they study, in order to get a better job and better life later, in our case you have to take a few hits along the way. This is very different to embracing failure or being disinterested in winning.

The reason we have been down for so long is because the ENTIRE CLUB, from TOP TO BOTTOM, is NOT GOOD ENOUGH. It has nothing to do with accepting failure, embracing mediocrity, forgetfulness or any other dubious idea that fans latch onto. The entire club knows and has always known exactly why the players take the field - nobody has forgotten anything. The club in toto is simply not good enough to win.

Come on, Pauly, no one here has suggested anything like 'embracing failure' or 'being disinterested in winning.' Fck ups? Yep, there's been plenty of those but realised mainly in hindsight.

Raking over the Pagan era coals really doesn't serve any useful purpose as just about every position at the club now is very different to then.

And as for the 'entire club not being good enough,' it's way too early to make that call. The TT senior coaching career thus far is measured in games and weeks! We gave your boy 4 years, let's at least give the TT 18 months or so!

The CEO, Head of Footy and the raft of other new-to-the-role folks have barely got their tootsies under the desk... let's at least give them until the end of the year before calling them to the stocks!

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #99 – June 19, 2020, 01:18:36 pm

Quote from: shawny – on June 19, 2020, 01:08:13 pm

Was serviceable after quarter time but game was over by the time he adjusted. Overall he is young so not a bad first effort.

We could have Gawn and I still wouldn’t be sure our midfield group would take advantage of it. We have no clue when an opposition ruck is carving us up how to shark any of the taps.

I’ve watched games where Kreuzer was dominating against a second tier ruck yet The opposition midfield still got more clearances.

Said it countless times until we get some established ready made midfielders and we need at least 2 preferably 3 to support Cripps we will remain a bottom side.

The game was level with 6 minutes on the clock.

Over? That's simply wubbish.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #100 – June 19, 2020, 01:22:13 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on June 19, 2020, 12:57:58 pm

Watch the replay LP.

Always do before I vote, I've watch the game live and Kayo replay twice now, and not through navy blue coloured glasses.

I would have thought Gawn was BoG, I was surprised to read the coaches gave Petracca top votes especially as he feed off Oliver quite a lot.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #101 – June 19, 2020, 01:35:16 pm

Quote from: Baggers – on June 19, 2020, 01:18:23 pm

Come on, Pauly, no one here has suggested anything like 'embracing failure' or 'being disinterested in winning.' Fck ups? Yep, there's been plenty of those but realised mainly in hindsight.

Raking over the Pagan era coals really doesn't serve any useful purpose as just about every position at the club now is very different to then.

And as for the 'entire club not being good enough,' it's way too early to make that call. The TT senior coaching career thus far is measured in games and weeks! We gave your boy 4 years, let's at least give the TT 18 months or so!

The CEO, Head of Footy and the raft of other new-to-the-role folks have barely got their tootsies under the desk... let's at least give them until the end of the year before calling them to the stocks!

Pagan was chosen arbitrarily - you could nominate any of our coaches over the last 2 decades and the answer would be the same. And the most critical and important voices at the club have not changed since Pagan - by which i mean power brokers and other influencers with deep pockets. And compare our board to Essendon's. Looks like a cheer squad in comparison.

I'm not calling anyone to the stocks - simply stating historical fact.

And Bolton was given 3 1/2 years.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #102 – June 19, 2020, 02:30:41 pm

Quote from: LP – on June 19, 2020, 11:36:50 am

Sorry, but I feel the part in bold is just fantasy! I love the fact our fans support our players, but it has to be grounded in realistic frame of reference. Perhaps that winning assessment makes sense relative to what we've had available in the past, but not relative to Gawn at the weekend.

If he did better for a win over the last 3 quarters, by our assessment, then shizen if that's a win no wonder we are on the bottom of the ladder!

FYI;
(AFLCA Votes)
10 Petracca
8 Gawn
6 Weitering
3 Oliver
2 Docherty
1 Salem

How can Pittonet have won 3 or the 4 quarters against Gawn and not get a coaches vote while Gawn gets two second place votes?

You're right LP, I reckon Gawn was BoG.

The difference in the last two thirds of the game was that our midfielders realised that Gawn was dominating and changed their tactics at stoppages. We won the clearances and Gawn's hitouts to advantage plummeted. However, he was still a dominant force around the ground (helped by some dubious umpiring decisions).

Pittonet was far from disgraced though and he certainly improved as the game wore on. It was a good sign that he just didn't drop his head but fought it out to the end. I reckon he could do OK against Stanley but a lot will depend on whether our midfielders are switched on at the first bounce.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #103 – June 19, 2020, 03:47:09 pm

Jack Steven in, replacing Parfitt.

Re: AFL Rd 3: Pre Game Prognostications: Carlton vs Geelong in Geelong

Reply #104 – June 19, 2020, 04:24:59 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on June 19, 2020, 03:47:09 pm

Jack Steven in, replacing Parfitt.

Another comeback kid for the media to drool over...just got over all the hype with Bennell, are we that bad that clubs pick these players cos they think its an easy game?