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Reply #1605 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
A self confessed republican named as the 30th Governor of Victoria? Is it just me who's farked or did I miss the memo that the world has officially gone mad?

Dame Jacinda Ardern ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-new-zealand-leader-jacinda-ardern-honored-as-a-dame/ar-AA1c83LM

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Former New Zealand leader Jacinda Ardern, who stepped down from her post earlier this year, has been made a dame in one of the country’s highest honors.

Prime Minister Chris Hipkins announced the appointment on Monday to mark the King’s Birthday public holiday, with Ardern among 182 recipients receiving various honors for their contributions to the country.

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Reply #1606 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Dame Jacinda Ardern ;D

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/former-new-zealand-leader-jacinda-ardern-honored-as-a-dame/ar-AA1c83LM

I dont know much about Ardern and whether or not she was a republican or not but she was nominated for something because of her contribution, she could choose to reject it if she felt strongly enough against it. For one to accept a position representing the very people you don't believe should be our "head of state" is surely taking the piss.
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Reply #1607 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
A self confessed republican named as the 30th Governor of Victoria? Is it just me who's farked or did I miss the memo that the world has officially gone mad?
Just Dan being Dan and appointing a mates wife......the real insane bit was what she was earning at Monash...$1.37 million a year, think she will drop back to 485k being the Gov
but I guess its a 5 year deal and all that pomp and ceremony will ease that pay cut a bit.

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Reply #1608 –
What a household - ex vice chancellor of Uni of Melb married to ex Vice chancellor of Monash Uni.

Things have to be going pretty pear shaped if the Gov is reporting to the palace.  Other correspondence is really a box ticking exercise. Not really an issue - still need to be able to give consent to legislation and a huge ceremonial role.

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Reply #1609 –
Apparently the way you file through doors into parliament now determines whether or not you are identified as a sexual deviant!

Lydia Thorpe needs help now, is this latest outburst  / accusation possibly the sign of a drug induced psychosis? :o

This is the problem caused by two modern aspects of society, the first is "wokism" being allowed unrestrained influence with the legal system asserting the definition of being offended sits in the purview of the beholder. I was shouted down as alarmist in this very forum when I stated this is where things were heading, yet here we are! :o

The second is society and media accepting frequently repeated uncorroborated accusations as some form of proof. But no matter how often or how loudly a lie is repeated, it always remains a lie, regardless of whether it is repeated by a street urchin or a US President!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1610 –
I'm having trouble following the Wilkinson dramas but none of it reads well
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #1611 –
You can argue that sexual assaulters and abusers should be locked up and the key thrown away.
You won't get a lot of argument.
But I've always found it just a bit disturbing that alleged offenders are often judged and convicted before it gets anywhere near a courtroom,by folks who have no first hand knowledge of the situation, and feel the offender must be guilty because they look a little creepy.

I don't know what happened in the Higgins case.
There are probably only two people who know for sure....and I'm not even certain they know.
But the number of high profile folks, including the PM of the time who were 'definite' in the guilt of the accused derailed any possibilty of a transparent, fair trial.
Morrison actually apologised to Higgins in Parliament before any trial.
She was partnered with Grace Tame as the face of abuse.
Either some of these folks had access to information that wasn't publicly available, or they acted irresponsibly in such a manner that compromised the trial, and  meant that neither Higgins or Lehrmann recieved justice.

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Reply #1612 –
It's not just 3rd parties that are shooting down the cases, the accusations and arguments are becoming Trumpesque the moment something looks a tad questionable, the automatic response seems to be to become louder and more bizarre.

If the little lie suddenly looks wrong, make a bigger lie so that the little lie doesn't seem so bad.

It's a bit like a pre-schooler shouting louder and louder to get their way, PERHAPS I SHOULD BE TYPING IN ALL CAPS.

The result is I can't believe anything anymore, I'm afraid it's all bullsh1t!

PS: It reminds me of the experiences of a relative on their first day of Uni. Having moved down from the country to the city, they walked across the central square of the institute which was the obvious gathering place for protests and rallies, and in their ignorance walked the wrong line or through the wrong space only to be immediately set upon with a dusting of line marking chalk and a chant of rapist!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1613 –
It seems that Lidia wasn't telling porkies after all.

The problem is that we still have a bloke who can't keep his hands to himself drawing a senator's salary  >:( 
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #1614 –
Quote from: DJC – on
It seems that Lidia wasn't telling porkies after all.

The problem is that we still have a bloke who can't keep his hands to himself drawing a senator's salary  >:(
So you're asserting Van is the intimidating stairwell man, intimidating Thorpe who threw punches at Federal police armed with tasers and side arms, and laid on the road in front of trams, yet Van scared her into silence! I'm calling that bullsh1t!

Van might be a creep, but walking behind someone is not sexual assault!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1615 –
The problem with any accusation made of sexual misconduct relying purely on "he said, she said" evidence, given the current environment, will always leave the accused at a disadvantage in the court of public opinion.

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Reply #1616 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
The problem with any accusation made of sexual misconduct relying purely on "he said, she said" evidence, given the current environment, will always leave the accused at a disadvantage in the court of public opinion.
So if got this right, Thorpe comes and accuses this guy of sexual assault then asked to retract it. Then another lady comes and says "Oh yeah, I forgot, he touched me up also" followed by another that says "Yeah me too". Dutton decides you need to resign. No investigation, no referring the matter to police, nothing. As my dad used to say, "Good Country this one".
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
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2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
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2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #1617 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
So if got this right, Thorpe comes and accuses this guy of sexual assault then asked to retract it. Then another lady comes and says "Oh yeah, I forgot, he touched me up also" followed by another that says "Yeah me too". Dutton decides you need to resign. No investigation, no referring the matter to police, nothing. As my dad used to say, "Good Country this one".

It would seem on the face of it that his colleagues had their suspicions, but as you say there’s no process and no one is facing any proper scrutiny or responsibility.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #1618 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
It would seem on the face of it that his colleagues had their suspicions, but as you say there’s no process and no one is facing any proper scrutiny or responsibility.
Politics is a power struggle, there are many motives for actions beyond the obvious, this might be nothing more than an opportunity to remove a threat or shuffle in some allies.

Regardless, a suspicion is not an action, no matter what other evidence exists it cannot be acceptable to make stuff up just to get an outcome. If things head down that path, we accept rumours and baseless allegations, there is no stopping the slide into anarchy.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #1619 –
Quote from: LP – on
this might be nothing more than an opportunity to remove a threat or shuffle in some allies.
Even if its not, it scary to think that it could easily be so. All it takes for a couple of people to collude and bingo, gonski.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership