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Reply #2310 –
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Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I have two security guards and my place, John Browning and Pietro Beretta.

Is Mr Browning about 9mm?
Nah, 12g
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Reply #2311 –
Whatever personal motives and feelings people may have on this issue, all the studies and data that I can find make it pretty clear that more guns = more violence, more deaths and less safety.

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Reply #2312 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Whatever personal motives and feelings people may have on this issue, all the studies and data that I can find make it pretty clear that more guns = more violence, more deaths and less safety.
I think the point was that these louts will one day target the wrong house with the wrong people in it (lets say people of equal or similar vocation) and yes there will be blood but it will be theirs that's spilt. I for one will piss myself laughing. The state of lawlessness in Victoria is a disgrace and something needs to be done. Bail laws need to be revised as matter of urgency for a start as many of these animals are young, repeat offenders in and out of the revolving door justice system we have. Nuffs enuff.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #2313 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: Baggers – on


Is Mr Browning about 9mm?
Nah, 12g

Serious.

The Browning 9mm was the first weapon I learnt on in the Navy. Then the SLR17. Then a Remington 700 for Marksman training. But once moving to communications/encryption stuff I had no further use for weaponry. My brother, however (who also served in the Navy) has an impressive safe with serious long guns - all legal of course. Ex military folks often have appropriate training and psych evals to qualify as 'responsible' owners.

But I agree wholeheartedly with Pauly who is 100% right re the availability of guns in the community - more guns, more fatal problems. With a shocking reduction in public safety.
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Reply #2314 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Quote from: PaulP – on
Whatever personal motives and feelings people may have on this issue, all the studies and data that I can find make it pretty clear that more guns = more violence, more deaths and less safety.
I think the point was that these louts will one day target the wrong house with the wrong people in it (lets say people of equal or similar vocation) and yes there will be blood but it will be theirs that's spilt. I for one will piss myself laughing. The state of lawlessness in Victoria is a disgrace and something needs to be done. Bail laws need to be revised as matter of urgency for a start as many of these animals are young, repeat offenders in and out of the revolving door justice system we have. Nuffs enuff.

Personally, I've opted for a couple of European Dobermans. Pussycats with us, not so friendly to uninvited guests!!

The rise in violence in Victoria is alarming. But it's not restricted to our state. It's on the rise nationally and even globally.
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Reply #2315 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Malthouse had intruders come in and threaten him in his house overnight, this has to be stopped. Nuffs enuff. This is what we should all be protesting about every weekend, f a r k  Gaza!!! Lets worry about our own s h i t show here.

I heard Mick on the wireless yesterday morning.

He has shingles and wasn’t sleeping.  He heard a noise in their apartment just after midnight.  He went to investigate, taking a weight training object with him and confronted three men, one with a crowbar and one with a screwdriver.

They retreated down the stairs and all four ended up in the basement.  Mick managed to take the crowbar so it was one vs three but the one had two weapons to one.  The intruders were trying to get out but couldn’t open the door.  Mick got them away from the door, opened it, and allowed them to leave.  As they ran past, the bloke with the screwdriver struck Mick in the chest, causing a small wound.  Although Mick didn’t say so specifically, I got the impression that he was giving them Larry Dooley with the weight training object (he described it as a heavy rubber-covered metal bar that he was given when he was playing for St Kilda) and the crowbar.  Not bad for a 72 year old!

Mick did say that the crooks would have been in real trouble if other residents had been home.

When I did self defence training, our instructor said never pick up a weapon because the crooks may get it and use it against you.  However, I suspect Mick may have been in more trouble if he had been empty handed.
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Reply #2316 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
The rise in violence in Victoria is alarming. But it's not restricted to our state. It's on the rise nationally and even globally.
I suppose until the penalties get heavier it won't change.

The do-gooder rules have just created an opportunity for crooks to leverage weak penalties against kids, often drug addicted teens, and threaten consequences for lagging. The penalties have to harsher so the kids can plea bargain, so the kids can get the opportunity to dob in an organiser. It's the organisers who should be copping the harshest penalties.

The penalties for coercion of a teen or minor should be as heavy as any for attempted murder or similar.
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Reply #2317 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Malthouse had intruders come in and threaten him in his house overnight, this has to be stopped. Nuffs enuff. This is what we should all be protesting about every weekend, f a r k  Gaza!!! Lets worry about our own s h i t show here.

I heard Mick on the wireless yesterday morning.

He has shingles and wasn’t sleeping.  He heard a noise in their apartment just after midnight.  He went to investigate, taking a weight training object with him and confronted three men, one with a crowbar and one with a screwdriver.

They retreated down the stairs and all four ended up in the basement.  Mick managed to take the crowbar so it was one vs three but the one had two weapons to one.  The intruders were trying to get out but couldn’t open the door.  Mick got them away from the door, opened it, and allowed them to leave.  As they ran past, the bloke with the screwdriver struck Mick in the chest, causing a small wound.  Although Mick didn’t say so specifically, I got the impression that he was giving them Larry Dooley with the weight training object (he described it as a heavy rubber-covered metal bar that he was given when he was playing for St Kilda) and the crowbar.  Not bad for a 72 year old!

Mick did say that the crooks would have been in real trouble if other residents had been home.

When I did self defence training, our instructor said never pick up a weapon because the crooks may get it and use it against you.  However, I suspect Mick may have been in more trouble if he had been empty handed.
His  wife is traumatised. I had a friend who had his home invaded, keys taken and car stolen. Whilst they were upstairs and werent confronted, and only woke up when they hear the car driving off, his wife hasnt been the same since (this was years ago). Its utterly abhorrent.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership
 

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Reply #2318 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
His  wife is traumatised. I had a friend who had his home invaded, keys taken and car stolen. Whilst they were upstairs and werent confronted, and only woke up when they hear the car driving off, his wife hasnt been the same since (this was years ago). Its utterly abhorrent.

According to Mick, Nanette was traumatised when she saw the three crooks running away and no sign of Mick.  She assumed the worst, as you would.

The maximum penalty for home invasion/aggravated burglary is 25 years.  Sentencing rules mean that is rarely applied and actual sentences imposed are closer to a "standard sentence" and are usually well below the maximum penalty.  There are complex arguments about sentencing and sentencing guidelines but, when a particular type of crime traumatises the victims and causes general anxiety in the community, I think that the guidelines need to be adjusted, even if only on a temporary basis.  In other words, make the defence put forward a case to reduce their client's sentence down to a minimum ten years.
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