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Re: General Discussions

Reply #2400 –
I talked to some Australia Protest types today, it was clear to me many participants have been misled, either accidentally or deliberately the people marching aren't all marching under the same banner. That's a problem, because the neo-Nazi types are using the participation and attendance as a recruiting medium.

A had to ask them why they were marching, most said they were protesting against illegal immigrants. I had to question this, they qualified it with queue jumpers who arrive by boat or plane and stay in Australia illegally, that is either without a visa or beyond the visa term.  When I asked them how many arrived by boat last year they gave me a range of answers from a thousand to tens of thousand, when I pointed out the total head count for boat arrivals last year was about 150 people they refused to believe it. They have been told illegal immigrants number in the hundreds of thousands, I asked them are they against immigration, and they said no, they are only protesting illegal immigration. But that is not what the event organisers stated in the media, they were pushing an anti-immigration message. It demonstrates how devious the organisers really are, with disinformation, and deception used to recruit participants.

Hard reality is exposed in the numbers.
On average about 500,000 legal immigrants or visa holders arrive in Australia each year, that's 12,500,000 over the last 25 years and the average is remarkably stable despite what some political parties claim. In any one year there are only about 70,000 in total that remain illegally, the average illegal overstay is only 4 weeks, most leave once they are alerted that their vias has expired. So the longer term overstays are about 35,000 as a percentage of 500,000. But of course a small percentage of the overstays are multi-year overstays, so that 35,000 must really be a percentage of 1,000,000 or more. I've been told the real-world percentage for overstays hovers around 0.2%, 1 in 500.

Over the same period the population has grown about 7,000,000, the doubters looked puzzled when I told them this, because they don't seem to think anybody leaves or dies.

One of the protestors I talked to today was the daughter of a legal Mauritian boat arrival immigrant, 50 years ago, what do you think the Ex-Kiwi Neo-Nazi protest leader thinks of her, and would he reserve a spot for her child in his private home school program?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2401 –
For all the things people worry about regarding the internet and AI, this stuff being done in the USA is far more worrisome, it's literally the genesis of the grey goo as they are already working on self-assembling versions.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scirobotics.adu8009

This stuff will make Drone, Nuclear or Chemical Warfare look like a Sunday Picnic.

For all the good it could potentially do, think about your pepper grinder, sauce on your McBurger, herbs on your focaccia, dust on your carpet, dirt on your shoes, and now think of it in the hands of a Putin, Xi or RedTrump, a failed heart valve, a stroke, pneumonia, blindness, a headache.

Winds farms, 5G, EM, Infrasound, they are a freaking walk in the park by comparison!

What would this guy think, gravy for the mind?

Is your arm itching?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2402 –
Yet another Con of the EV market exposed today, you buy a Tesla full of promise about self-driving, cheaper to run, latest technology, etc., etc..

Then you wake up today to read Tesla is moving features and capabilities you were waiting for, or some you already had, into subscription only. The car you've already bought and paid for is now going to cost you more on top of the energy and servicing bills, just to keep it running!

Who'd have thunk it! ::)

You can see why RedTrump and Musk get along just fine.

They've turned your car into a phone service, how long before they start turning off the service when the Corporate AI Robo Debt claims you are in default?

Even worse, those low cost Chinese EVs, they'll see this happening and think "I'll have a bit of that!"

All this before battery shock hits you at year 10!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2403 –
Lp, the only fact you managed to spew forth is that Tesla is going subscription for FSD, everything else is your own poorly formed opinion.
Ev batteries will outlast the vehicles, ie 20-30yrs before being repurposed, it’s what the science shows it’s what real world charging data shows.
Go and educate yourself ffs.
Let’s go BIG !

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Reply #2404 –
I was following a Tesla through Geelong recently (in my V8 diesel 😇) and I noticed a very stylish, bespoke decal on the boot that appeared to strobe as the vehicle went from shadow to sunshine. It read, “Purchased before Elon went crazy.”

I know that (a) Elon has always been crazy, (b) similar stickers have been around for a while, and (c) the driver was probably a tosser, but it made me smile.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2405 –
Quote from: LP – on
For all the things people worry about regarding the internet and AI, this stuff being done in the USA is far more worrisome, it's literally the genesis of the grey goo as they are already working on self-assembling versions.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scirobotics.adu8009

This stuff will make Drone, Nuclear or Chemical Warfare look like a Sunday Picnic.

For all the good it could potentially do, think about your pepper grinder, sauce on your McBurger, herbs on your focaccia, dust on your carpet, dirt on your shoes, and now think of it in the hands of a Putin, Xi or RedTrump, a failed heart valve, a stroke, pneumonia, blindness, a headache.

Winds farms, 5G, EM, Infrasound, they are a freaking walk in the park by comparison!

What would this guy think, gravy for the mind?

Is your arm itching?

Black Mirror did an episode similar to this. "Hated by the Nation"

Bees went extinct, so we made robot bees to do the job.
These were ultimately hijacked and used to kill people. Person who was killed was whoever got the most 'votes' on social media.
Torch and Pitchforks from the comfort of your own home!

Seems ludicrous when summarised, but watch the episode and tell me where the plot hole is, if you can find one.

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Reply #2406 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: LP – on
For all the things people worry about regarding the internet and AI, this stuff being done in the USA is far more worrisome, it's literally the genesis of the grey goo as they are already working on self-assembling versions.

https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/scirobotics.adu8009

This stuff will make Drone, Nuclear or Chemical Warfare look like a Sunday Picnic.

For all the good it could potentially do, think about your pepper grinder, sauce on your McBurger, herbs on your focaccia, dust on your carpet, dirt on your shoes, and now think of it in the hands of a Putin, Xi or RedTrump, a failed heart valve, a stroke, pneumonia, blindness, a headache.

Winds farms, 5G, EM, Infrasound, they are a freaking walk in the park by comparison!

What would this guy think, gravy for the mind?

Is your arm itching?

Black Mirror did an episode similar to this. "Hated by the Nation"

Bees went extinct, so we made robot bees to do the job.
These were ultimately hijacked and used to kill people. Person who was killed was whoever got the most 'votes' on social media.
Torch and Pitchforks from the comfort of your own home!

Seems ludicrous when summarised, but watch the episode and tell me where the plot hole is, if you can find one.

Excellent episode (Hated In The Nation). Nailed the realities of human nature... at it's most creative/ingenious, and most tribal/vulgar. You're right, K, there aint no plot hole.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #2407 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Lp, the only fact you managed to spew forth is that Tesla is going subscription for FSD, everything else is your own poorly formed opinion.
Ev batteries will outlast the vehicles, ie 20-30yrs before being repurposed, it’s what the science shows it’s what real world charging data shows.
Go and educate yourself ffs.
Did I trigger something, are you a disgruntled Tesla investor? Not to worry SpaceX will list soon.

Firstly, I think you've confused contemptuous AI driven marketing for science, and I could debate it here but it's the wrong thread, I was more discussing the corporate tactics and the inevitable. But it is cute that you think the concept of subscriptions will stop with FSD, stay optimistic! ;D

btw., If I recall correctly, when previously discussing the very long term carbon debt (NIMBY carbon it seems) that comes with offloading a perfectly good ICE for a brand new EV, those so inclined to argue the EV position claimed that the EVs would functionally outlast the batteries many times over, I think some claimed at least 1 million kilometers, and as such the vehicles carbon deficit was irrelevant to battery longevity. Now we read your post claiming that the batteries will outlast the car! :o
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2408 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Black Mirror did an episode similar to this. "Hated by the Nation"

Bees went extinct, so we made robot bees to do the job.
These were ultimately hijacked and used to kill people. Person who was killed was whoever got the most 'votes' on social media.
Torch and Pitchforks from the comfort of your own home!

Seems ludicrous when summarised, but watch the episode and tell me where the plot hole is, if you can find one.
Sounds like it will remind me of the dystopian plot from the movie AI, which offered a similar damning commentary about the nature of human society.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #2409 –
Quote from: LP – on
Quote from: northernblue – on
Lp, the only fact you managed to spew forth is that Tesla is going subscription for FSD, everything else is your own poorly formed opinion.
Ev batteries will outlast the vehicles, ie 20-30yrs before being repurposed, it’s what the science shows it’s what real world charging data shows.
Go and educate yourself ffs.
Did I trigger something, are you a disgruntled Tesla investor? Not to worry SpaceX will list soon.

Firstly, I think you've confused contemptuous AI driven marketing for science, and I could debate it here but it's the wrong thread, I was more discussing the corporate tactics and the inevitable. But it is cute that you think the concept of subscriptions will stop with FSD, stay optimistic! ;D

btw., If I recall correctly, when previously discussing the very long term carbon debt (NIMBY carbon it seems) that comes with offloading a perfectly good ICE for a brand new EV, those so inclined to argue the EV position claimed that the EVs would functionally outlast the batteries many times over, I think some claimed at least 1 million kilometers, and as such the vehicles carbon deficit was irrelevant to battery longevity. Now we read your post claiming that the batteries will outlast the car! :o

Doubling down on dribble LP ?
Very unusual of you… 🙄

Let’s go BIG !

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2411 –
I'm neither here nor there on EV's.

I see them as a way forward, but not necessarily the way forward if you get my drift.  I am not an early adopter of any technology so have kept my distance (we have bought 2 vehicles since 2008, and both are Petrol cars, one of which was bought 2017, the other in 2024 to replace a 2008 car that probably had another 5 to 10 years in it, but became cost benefit to ditch in favour of something else, because that car was in need of more maintenance than I liked.

The main reason not to go EV, was more cost vs benefit at the time.  The car I bought was cheaper than the average good EV, and we didnt need to put a charging station in for it which made petrol win.  I also liked the shape of the car I bought, over what was on offer equivalent.  We gravitate to what we like the look of generally, be it food, scenery, choice of partner, etc. 

I have no feedback for the validity of EV.  I can only talk about rechargeable batteries in power tools, and solar panels for xmas lights and I have mixed fervour for them.  I find the battery powered tools to either be under powered, or unable to last the duration required to get the job done but thats not really a true comparison.  Xmas lights get stored for 10 months of the year, are made from NiMH and usually sit there and degrade in the process which limits their longevity.

Ive switched to plug in lights purely because they are brighter and more reliable, but the solar ones have their use cases such as range and isolation. 

Anyway, thats my two cents.  I had the Tesla's as a rule, but its more bout Musk, and his business model than anything else.  Subscriptions in general annoy me.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2412 –
Most of my smaller power tools are battery-powered now and I can't fault them ... as long as I remember to charge the spare batteries.

I have a top of the range Husqvarna chainsaw but rarely use it now because my relatively cheap DeWalt does a pretty good job, is safer, quieter and I don't have to mix smelly two-stroke.  My arborist neighbour, who I employ for bigger, riskier jobs, now uses battery-powered Stihl chainsaws for most of his work.

The only reservation I have is the fire risk with lithium batteries - we're have a spate of landfill fires caused by inappropriately dumped batteries.  Using genuine batteries and chargers rather than knock-offs and disposing of dead lithium batteries through collection points is the way to go.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball
 

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Reply #2413 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Most of my smaller power tools are battery-powered now and I can't fault them ... as long as I remember to charge the spare batteries.

I have a top of the range Husqvarna chainsaw but rarely use it now because my relatively cheap DeWalt does a pretty good job, is safer, quieter and I don't have to mix smelly two-stroke.  My arborist neighbour, who I employ for bigger, riskier jobs, now uses battery-powered Stihl chainsaws for most of his work.

The only reservation I have is the fire risk with lithium batteries - we're have a spate of landfill fires caused by inappropriately dumped batteries.  Using genuine batteries and chargers rather than knock-offs and disposing of dead lithium batteries through collection points is the way to go.
Apparently that is a relatively mundane issue too.  Who would guess that throwing a bunch of batteries together would simply create a circuit at times, causing sparks, generating heat and eventually combustion?  I certainly didnt realise that limitation till it popped up on the news. 

Re the tools.  Lithium Ion batteries are fine for drills.  They are fine for a hedge trimmer.  They are terrible for a blower which has a run time of about 15mins on each full charge of a 2.5 amp 18 volt battery.  Circular saws are mixed.   Basically anything that is more stop start is ok, but anything that requires continuous use is a bit miss than hit.  Cant beat the portability of them though. 

You still need bar oil for a chainsaw dont you?

Id happily use electric saws and appliances for most application, just the batteries can be a bit crap.  I had one die because of the actual interior of it, coming loose off one cell.  Tried to fix it, but its only a 1.5 amp drill battery so after my first fix failed, realised it was more cost effetive to replace it than spend time and money fixing.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: General Discussions

Reply #2414 –
I have battery-operated circular saw, reciprocating saw, angle grinder, drills, impact driver, jigsaw, compressor, router, chainsaw, polesaw, sander and blower.  Mostly DeWalt but a couple of AEGs.  They are in use most of the time and, with a couple of spare batteries, I rarely have downtime.

My table saw, mitre saw, drill press, bandsaw, thicknesser, etc are 240v and I have ICE mowers, brushcutter, etc.

The AEG batteries are rubbish and I have adapters to run the AEG tools on DeWalt batteries.  The DeWalt 18-54v batteries are brilliant, but even the 14v batteries do well on my small drill/driver.

Of course, I wouldn’t be using my power tools as much as a tradie, but they all seem to be using battery powered tools now.

The chainsaw and polesaw, and my neighbour’s Stihls still need bar oil.

As I understand it lithium battery fires are caused by thermal runaway rather than a circuit or spark.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball