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Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1635
If Australia have a good first session, then they'll go on and win comfortably.

The worry is the gaping hole as wide as the Grand Canyon in our top 3. Not as if we don't have players performing at first class level in those spots. Should have been sorted a while ago instead of persisting with blokes that are gone or out of form.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1636
Rabada not getting two years was a fit up.
Marnus cops a lot of flak but Khawaja has gotten away with being a hundred or zero man for while.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1637
Rabada not getting two years was a fit up.
Marnus cops a lot of flak but Khawaja has gotten away with being a hundred or zero man for while.
Lack of competition for openers and a dearth in quality to find a No 3 since Marnus has struggled.
There seems this concept that Cameron Green has to play when fit, I think he is overhyped and Im not a subscriber to him having to be in the team and Webster has proven a more reliable NO 6 and can at least stay on the park and is equally adept with the ball.
Green isnt a top order batsman and I dont know whose Idea it was to play at him at No 3 but it was a bad idea.
We will get away with it though and win the game as Jim suggested purely on South Africa being a substandard batting outfit so the passengers in the Oz team will be carried by the bowling quartet as has been the case for a while now.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1638
4/95 all out 138 - lead of 74. Cummins with 300 test wickets.  4 and a bit sessions in and 20 wickets gone.  Not a great advertisement for the combatants to become World Test Champions.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1639
Embarrassing performance from our blokes, Saffies are within reach of victory with opener Markram hammering our bowling, we could still win given SA are a rubbery batting line up who could collapse but we still need 8 wickets and they only need 80 odd runs.


Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1640
Embarrassing performance from our blokes, Saffies are within reach of victory with opener Markram hammering our bowling, we could still win given SA are a rubbery batting line up who could collapse but we still need 8 wickets and they only need 80 odd runs.

Even more embarrassing for the selectors EB!

Khawaja can be hit or miss but he’s better with an opening partner who can take some pressure off him.  Marnus hasn’t scored runs in any form of cricket for quite a while and expecting him to open the batting is a huge leap of faith.

Green’s not a number 3 and never will be and I really don’t think you can play him and Webster in the same 11.

Both teams have decent attacks but the wicket doesn’t hold any terrors.  Inept batting is the key to us winning/losing 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1641
Both teams have decent attacks but the wicket doesn’t hold any terrors.  Inept batting is the key to us winning/losing 🙄
It's been that way for several seasons now, when the opposition batting fails to collapse like our own list we like to blame our bowlers.

Hayden's comments expose the folly, he was basically telling people the pitch was unplayable and blokes were sitting in the rooms in dread and tears. The pitch might well be a sh1t pitch for the WTC Final, but it's not horrendous, it's just not your typical Lord's pitch. Horrendous is when you go into a forward defence and get hit in the face, this pitch has done none of that sort of rubbish!

IPL has made these blokes soft and weak minded, if the pitch isn't a road they bitch and moan. They want runs delivered to them on a platter. They need to take some of Jeremy Clarkson's advice, the advice he gave to Kaleb Cooper when he returned to the farm from his theatre performance gig, how to get over a dose of "c@#t flu!"

Sometimes it is the bowlers at fault, but in general our bowling is good on average despite one or two highly variable performances from certain players.

Our best performed bowler in the UK in recent times isn't even in the squad.

Until the NSW Cricket Mafia lose control of CA nothing will change, they have there favourites and the deflect like hell to defend them.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1642
Both teams have decent attacks but the wicket doesn’t hold any terrors.  Inept batting is the key to us winning/losing 🙄
It's been that way for several seasons now, when the opposition batting fails to collapse like our own list we like to blame our bowlers.

Hayden's comments expose the folly, he was basically telling people the pitch was unplayable and blokes were sitting in the rooms in dread and tears. The pitch might well be a sh1t pitch for the WTC Final, but it's not horrendous, it's just not your typical Lord's pitch. Horrendous is when you go into a forward defence and get hit in the face, this pitch has done none of that sort of rubbish!

IPL has made these blokes soft and weak minded, if the pitch isn't a road they bitch and moan. They want runs delivered to them on a platter. They need to take some of Jeremy Clarkson's advice, the advice he gave to Kaleb Cooper when he returned to the farm from his theatre performance gig, how to get over a dose of "c@#t flu!"

Sometimes it is the bowlers at fault, but in general our bowling is good on average despite one or two highly variable performances from certain players.

Our best performed bowler in the UK in recent times isn't even in the squad.

Until the NSW Cricket Mafia lose control of CA nothing will change, they have there favourites and the deflect like hell to defend them.

Pitch is fine if you can bat , one of their blokes has made 100 and their captain is 67 not out, too many IPL champs but no one with any technique in English conditions. The IPL has stuffed test cricket and we have seen Bazball short format stuff adopted by most test nations and its created a breed of batsman that cant cope in bowler friendly conditions.
The Batsman are not getting out through dangerous deliveries but from well executed pace bowling backed up by good fielding.
Id be moving George Bailey on, has no idea imo and just keeps picking the mates club players regardless of form, opposition or conditions. Green should never have played and we need two specialist openers not makeshift players who are popular with teammates but havent made a score for a couple of years ie Marnus.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1643
Saffies rolled us, lost a few wickets this morning(England time) but Markram with 136 did the bulk of the work required. Going to have to be changes and the Aus mates club losing a few members.

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1644
Saffies rolled us, lost a few wickets this morning(England time) but Markram with 136 did the bulk of the work required. Going to have to be changes and the Aus mates club losing a few members.

Smith has to miss and Inglis has to replace Marnus.  Webster keeps the all rounder spot and another batsman replaces Green.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1645
Saffies rolled us, lost a few wickets this morning(England time) but Markram with 136 did the bulk of the work required. Going to have to be changes and the Aus mates club losing a few members.

Smith has to miss and Inglis has to replace Marnus.  Webster keeps the all rounder spot and another batsman replaces Green.
Yep agree on Inglis in and Webster ahead of Green as the allrounder at No6, I think its time to go with two specialist younger openers and develop them for the future. Khawaja is cooked imo and Id be looking at Tim Ward from Tasmania as one opener and Im presuming Sam Konstas will come back in for the Windies series. Jason Sangha is a player Id be keen to see at Test level and Id be taking him as a reserve batsman to the West Indies to cover for Smith.
Flat tracks in the West Indies so its expected that batsman will find it easier and Id be looking for players with test techniques and not bazball shot making which is why I have doubts on Konstas but I know he will be a popular choice to play vs England.

 

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1646

It's been that way for several seasons now, when the opposition batting fails to collapse like our own list we like to blame our bowlers.

Hayden's comments expose the folly, he was basically telling people the pitch was unplayable and blokes were sitting in the rooms in dread and tears. The pitch might well be a sh1t pitch for the WTC Final, but it's not horrendous, it's just not your typical Lord's pitch. Horrendous is when you go into a forward defence and get hit in the face, this pitch has done none of that sort of rubbish!

IPL has made these blokes soft and weak minded, if the pitch isn't a road they bitch and moan. They want runs delivered to them on a platter. They need to take some of Jeremy Clarkson's advice, the advice he gave to Kaleb Cooper when he returned to the farm from his theatre performance gig, how to get over a dose of "c@#t flu!"

Sometimes it is the bowlers at fault, but in general our bowling is good on average despite one or two highly variable performances from certain players.

Our best performed bowler in the UK in recent times isn't even in the squad.

Until the NSW Cricket Mafia lose control of CA nothing will change, they have there favourites and the deflect like hell to defend them.

Pitch is fine if you can bat , one of their blokes has made 100 and their captain is 67 not out, too many IPL champs but no one with any technique in English conditions. The IPL has stuffed test cricket and we have seen Bazball short format stuff adopted by most test nations and its created a breed of batsman that cant cope in bowler friendly conditions.
The Batsman are not getting out through dangerous deliveries but from well executed pace bowling backed up by good fielding.
Id be moving George Bailey on, has no idea imo and just keeps picking the mates club players regardless of form, opposition or conditions. Green should never have played and we need two specialist openers not makeshift players who are popular with teammates but havent made a score for a couple of years ie Marnus.


Apparently the Lords pitch has been playing the same way during the County season.   They have improved the drainage at the ground, so the deck dries out really quickly now.  So, to compensate that, they water it a heap leading up to Day1.    Day 1 & 2 the ball moves a mile.  Then it dries out for day 3 and 4 and is a road.    Started seeing it late in the Aussies 2nd dig, and into the Saffas 2nd dig,  the pitch definitely changed during the match

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1647
I think Marnus has been unfairly blamed, Khawaja is years past his best and it looks like they're going to have to pry him out with a crowbar.  Green is over rated - way over rated and needs a kick up the ar$e.  Head bats like it's the world cup and has to start giving a F about test batting.

Hazelwood didn't do enough to justify being selected over Boland either.

Konstas has done very little to justify selection, yet another NSW-centric selection.

The one who really has no clue is Bailey, constantly goes conservative and picks the same old names.  Has faith in the same hacks for too long and needs to look at players from outside NSW. Time to go George.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1648
Head bats like it's the world cup and has to start giving a F about test batting.
I don't mind Head batting that way, he is the current version of Doug Walters and it works, bit only as part of a balanced in form list.

I don't think we can have Head and Konstas in the same team, for Head to do his stuff you need a rock solid base to build off, and Konstas is a similarly a 50/50 type at best, maybe 30/70, I've never been a fan of openers who are continually all in. Hayden was similarly attacking but off a solid base, with Langer as some Yang, the balance pays off.

I bet they blame Carey and bring in Inglis, while Labuschagne, Green and others retain their spot. But in reality Carey should stay with Inglis and some of the duds should be getting the chop.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: God help me - the Test Cricket thread

Reply #1649
I think Marnus has been unfairly blamed, Khawaja is years past his best and it looks like they're going to have to pry him out with a crowbar.  Green is over rated - way over rated and needs a kick up the ar$e.  Head bats like it's the world cup and has to start giving a F about test batting.

Hazelwood didn't do enough to justify being selected over Boland either.

Konstas has done very little to justify selection, yet another NSW-centric selection.

The one who really has no clue is Bailey, constantly goes conservative and picks the same old names.  Has faith in the same hacks for too long and needs to look at players from outside NSW. Time to go George.
Couldnt agree more....though I think Marnus has been worked out if you keep it tight around off stump and just outside eventually he will spar at one and edge to the keeper/slips. Seems to have lost that ability to work the ball for a single and get off strike vs the class quicks who get him on the back foot defending and the pressure gets to him.