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Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #105 –
Quote from: LP – on
I liked the look of Setterfield in the practice match, they used him sparingly but he looks cherry ripe!

I think they tried SPS in the mid-field tagger role before and excluding the bounce he hardly got within a kick of his opponent, he's too slow to keep up with most of them in-between the stoppages when he catches back up to the play. So if he doesn't win the football we are one short in open space and that is a big problem. fwiw, It was nice to see Martin with some run-down tackles when he first arrived, I'd forgotten what they looked like!

Maybe Cunningham needs a tagging role to help him take the next step, opponents will try to break away in heavy traffic but if he learns that gig he could be invaluable as he has the pace needed to run and spread.

I'd take guys like Dow and Cuningham matching up/tagging opposition mids. SPS too but I like his creativeness also.  Martin I like but gee he goes missing a heap, like McGovern.

My fear is we've paid big money for guys who are flash in the pans type without enough regular substance or meat & potatoes types. I find we cannot rely on those two to be consistent enough. I hope we get more out of them as opposed to highly paid forward flanker types. Martin into the midfield I want. At least 50/50 split but would prefer more midfield minutes.
 

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #106 –
Quote from: LP – on
I liked the look of Setterfield in the practice match, they used him sparingly but he looks cherry ripe!

I meant to comment on how well Setterfield played in both pre-season games.  His form was solid last season but he seems to have stepped up a notch or two.  I think we have picked up a really good footballer in Setters and it was really worth persevering with him as he got over his injury.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #107 –
Quote from: Pratty – on
I'd take guys like Dow and Cuningham matching up/tagging opposition mids. SPS too but I like his creativeness also.  Martin I like but gee he goes missing a heap, like McGovern.

My fear is we've paid big money for guys who are flash in the pans type without enough regular substance or meat & potatoes types. I find we cannot rely on those two to be consistent enough. I hope we get more out of them as opposed to highly paid forward flanker types. Martin into the midfield I want. At least 50/50 split but would prefer more midfield minutes.
Dow and Cuningham would worry me playing on anyone decent, much prefer Setterfield and Williamson to do run with roles.
I'd like Martin in the midfield to compliment Cripps to offset Williams being out, be tempted to play Eddie to cover Martins absence down forward if that happened.

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #108 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Dow and Cuningham would worry me playing on anyone decent, much prefer Setterfield and Williamson to do run with roles.
I'd like Martin in the midfield to compliment Cripps to offset Williams being out, be tempted to play Eddie to cover Martins absence down forward if that happened.
I think Setterfield will be Cripps main chop-out this season, with Williams, Martin, sMurph and others in the outside roles. Taggers can be anybody, just pick someone who can run and hump!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #109 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think Setterfield will be Cripps main chop-out this season, with Williams, Martin, sMurph and others in the outside roles. Taggers can be anybody, just pick someone who can run and hump!

I know he's earmarked for an outside role but I was impressed with Williams' ability to win contested ball.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #110 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I know he's earmarked for an outside role but I was impressed with Williams' ability to win contested ball.
Yes, it makes us much harder to counter, we are building some midfield strength and depth.

I very much liked his ability to run down tackle with some intent, Nthmond would have been a very good test!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #111 –
Put the heat on Jack Martin. Play him predominately in the midfield against the Tiges.

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #112 –
Pratty, I fear he will be found out should we do that.  Still, it's one way to go.

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Reply #113 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Pratty, I fear he will be found out should we do that.  Still, it's one way to go.

I fear you’re correct.

Martin provides best value as a half forward.  He can have an impact with an occasional run through the midfield but I think he would be exposed by the Richmond midfielders if he was in the guts for extended periods.

I would prefer to see Martin making the Richmond halfbacks accountable.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #114 –
Well be lucky to get within 10 goals of the tigers.

The horror start... The huge on field holes.
  Looks like another nothing season.   I'd be mentally preparing for Cripps running around in different colours next year and a new coach.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #115 –
Even carrying all the outs, I'll be ropeable if we get done by anything like 10.

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #116 –
Given that the last 4 years Round 1 results have been defeats by 7 goals in 2017, 4 in 18, 5 in 19 and 4 in 20 and 10 goal loss would be very, very hard to stomach.

Keep the faith!

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #117 –
Quote from: DJC – on
I fear you’re correct.

Martin provides best value as a half forward.  He can have an impact with an occasional run through the midfield but I think he would be exposed by the Richmond midfielders if he was in the guts for extended periods.

I would prefer to see Martin making the Richmond halfbacks accountable.
Agree I like him as shock value in the middle, but prefer him setting up and delivering to others down forward as his foot skills and vision is terrific. He is also a nice set shot for goal and one of those players who you feel safe with the ball in his hands.
With Eddie somewhat 50/50 and winding down we need the class of Martin to replace him and help Zac Fisher improve.
Also I dont see him as that 25-35 possie type mid who will get heaps of ball either and for me its about quality than quantity with JM and I dont want him banged up by taggers and missing games either.

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #118 –
Quote from: Pratty – on
Put the heat on Jack Martin. Play him predominately in the midfield against the Tiges.
It's the repeat efforts that will bring him undone, he might bounce after the first few tackles, but his output slides if he is kept constrained for too long. He doesn't have that grunt.

To me he looks like the type of player that regularly needs to be cut loose somewhere inside F50 to pump up his tyres.

Put SoJ in the midfield with an open license to purely hunt the pill, he'll not stop stoppage after stoppage, and at least take some scalps along the way! Has he had a good enough pre-season after his surgery issues?

I think the key to defeating Nthmond is not to be predictable in role or game style, Nthmond self-organise better than most teams, Dimma is not even needed!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Best 22 in 21

Reply #119 –
Martin has one major fault with his kicking (and unless it's under direction) in that he skies the ball into the forward line far too much when he edges way too close to the man on the mark.  Did it numerous times last year.  That MUST stop.