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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #90 –
Quote from: Mav – on
New rules perhaps work against in&under types & taggers: Cripps, Setterfield & Curnow. Not great either for burst players who need regular bench time like Betts.
Adams seem to handle the new rules ok..
Setterfield needs to harden up and get his hands dirty, if an old slow bloke like Pendlebury can get 30 possies with 11 scoring involvements then our blokes have no excuses other than playing to a losing ruck and that's another area that needs fixing.


Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #91 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Adams seem to handle the new rules ok..
Setterfield needs to harden up and get his hands dirty, if an old slow bloke like Pendlebury can get 30 possies with 11 scoring involvements then our blokes have no excuses other than playing to a losing ruck and that's another area that needs fixing.
In fairness to Setterfield, he was again hardly used in the midfield, it looks like he's on the outer amongst the inners.

Who is the midfield coach? @ElwoodBlues1
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #92 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
I don't think there's a defender in the country who could've prevented some of the gifts to Plow's opponents. He was let down by players further up the ground.
He is a whipping boy because his opposition are usually giving him the whipping.
I think it happens to often too ignore.. we don't have a medium defender who can take players like DeGoey.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #93 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I think the Malthouse /Jones relationship is similar to Ross Lyon / Zac Dawson. I think Mick would have roasted Liam over an outdoor fire, but I think Jones would have taken it the right way. Don't forget Mick brought him to the club.

Can I just just say, bearing in mind my perfect, unblemished record of dogged objectivity on the "coach question" it was Bolton who saved Jones career, and it was under Bolton that he played his best footy. And that goes for too many of our players - Docherty, Williamson, Dow, O'Brien, Cripps and others played better under Bolts.

Agree with the rest of your post.

Docherty?  2 knee recos?  Talk about passing a poisoned chalice.  Hardly fair. 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #94 –
On Cripps - maybe something is going on with his GF, her insta shows she seemed to be in a treatment facility in Jan.  Caring for and worrying for a loved one is extremely taxing.  Just a thought.

But in relation to the game, FFS I am over it.  I agree, they need to get competitive, be tough.  No excuses.  We have the same rules as everyone else.  We nabbed the no 1 fitness guru - can't run out games - why not! We the members deserve some answers, watching the insipid performances, my kids put in more effort and competitiveness than these guys.  I'm sick of it.  I've been patient, but I've had enough.

As someone said previously, Saad, Williams & Martin can kick - why can't players that have been with us longer, be able to execute precise kicks.  Get the screw rid of the assistants coaches, get some screwing superior ex players and start on screwing skills.  Sick to the teeth of it, and you can bet your arse Cripps won't hang around and i won't hate him for leaving either.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #95 –
And please lets not go back to pining for the days of MM, he put us back 10 bloody years!  And Bolton whilst a nice person, had no mongrel about him.  And we need it in bucketloads now!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #96 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Docherty?  2 knee recos?  Talk about passing a poisoned chalice.  Hardly fair. 

I'm not writing him off. But as things stand presently, after his knee problems he's had one full season (2020), and 2 full pre seasons (2019/20 and 2020/21), so it's not as if he walked out of hospital yesterday. I hope he comes good, but I can't believe I'm the only one who's worried.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #97 –
My two cents:
We lost the game in the coaches box. I noticed (watching from home) that Pies players played on at every chance. This made our players look flat footed and our coaching panel had not answer for this. Nothing nothing at all.
In the 3rd the Pies stopped playing on and we got ourselves into the game.

A lot did go the Pies way,
when talk of Cox as a footy player is mentioned on this board, then we know things are going well for them
Jones slaps the ball out of a pack and the ball lands to De Goey. How do you defend that?? See just kept ging their way.

I think players are also being played out of position:
SPS is NOT a backman
Setterfield is NOT a wingman.
Murphy is NOT a small forward

I can keep going but worst of all I rejoined as a member today. Does that make sense

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #98 –
Quote from: LP – on
In fairness to Setterfield, he was again hardly used in the midfield, it looks like he's on the outer amongst the inners.

Who is the midfield coach? @ElwoodBlues1

like to see blokes start playing in their best positions. Setterfield into the guts, Williamson onto a wing SPS into the midfield, Murphy not as a small forward. Otherwise it's no point playing any of them as you're only going to get half the value you should.

Biggest issue is the will to win. We don't have enough of it. We match every side we play alot, top sides or not, rarely copping a hiding, but we don't win enough. We only fully commit at our choosing, not bringing it in uncompromisingly every week. we tend to often play to the other side's level, good or $hit. Sadly, it's been out culture for 20 years and takes alot of time to turn that around. We are doing way better than in 2018-19 but unless we bring that total commitment every week we'll lose games that we should be winning more often than we should. That's more frustrating than when we were $hit as we expect more.

Once again our season starts in round 3. We have the worst round 2 record ever i'm sure. Pump up, show a heap of promise in round 1, going down after a close effort, then we have a big letdown and play like crap in round 2, starting like slugs. You can imagine we'll fire up next week as we did round 3 against Geelong last year..

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #100 –
LOOK AT BRIGHT SIDE, LAST YRS RUNNERS UP OR BRIS WILL JOIN US AT 0 - 2
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Teague said in his presser that LOB was stiff to be left out.
Doesn't that fill you with a joyful prospect next week.

I've just  had a good look at our playing list and to be honest we havn't
got much left in the shed that are fit or match hardened.  We would all love to Have DE K or Charlie up and running but it aint gunna happen for a while.

Against the Shockers my changes are:

OUT - LEVI, Williamson, Newnes
 (should be dropped but wont be)  Plowman, Murph
INS -  Oscar, Stocker, Kennedy

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #101 –
Quote from: laj – on
like to see blokes start playing in their best positions. Setterfield into the guts, Williamson onto a wing SPS into the midfield, Murphy not as a small forward. Otherwise it's no point playing any of them as you're only going to get half the value you should.
Yep, it's no coincidence when Teague got the gig it came from putting blokes back into their traditional positions.

I'm quite over the concept of the "Swiss Army Player", to me that signals a weak coaching panel!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #102 –
The problem probably is that there's not enough room in the 'player's best positions' to fit them all into those spots. ;)

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Reply #103 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The problem probably is that there's not enough room in the 'player's best positions' to fit them all into those spots. ;)
 Then just pick the best one, and put the others in the magoos until they earn a spot!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #104 –
Quote from: LP – on
Then just pick the best one, and put the others in the magoos until they earn a spot!

The best one changes quarter by quarter.

Its no wonder we are struggling.  We have so few strengths that when the rules change our team is disadvantaged.   Contrast that with the pies.  They have very few players that are one trick ponies like ours so when the rules change their players can adjust quicker whilst we have to turnover the other bunch of retreads.

I.e.  plowman.  In a team defense he is rolled gold.  The ball flies around so quick now team defenses are gone, and now you need blokes who are individually both able to play tall and short, are quick and agile, and use the ball well.  Plowman is a restricted type who uses his nous to play well.  In the 3rd last night he was pivotal to keeping the ball forward but when the structure ahead of the ball fell apart he went from chocolates to boiled lollies.

That was a by product of the pies switching to a more run and gun style again, but this is the game now. 

Evolve or become yesterday's hero.  You know who'd go well under the current rules?  Blokes we delisted like Nick Graham. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson