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Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #211 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
https://www.foxsports.com.au/afl/afl-news-2021-carlton-blues-issues-david-teague-fatigue-press-conference-david-king-defensive-effort-first-crack/news-story/7e87cbb7ab6a196a8587b67a211e0027

They certainly raise some valid points, but the thing that got me ? "Teague fatigue." lol
King is talking from his experience, from his old days, it is almost a different game from just 2 years ago!

I'm not sure we yet have the measure of what scoring is normal under the 2021 rules, we could well see clubs kicking 150pts before season is out!

Two years ago they all complained, loudly and non-stop, how boring footy had become, the scoring problem, now they are calling for scoring restriction tactics, the over-scoring problem.

Maybe there isn't a weathervane on earth that turns as fast as an AFL specialist commentators does. Maybe what King is better at than anything else is reading fan sentiment, not unlike Kane Cornes! They might well be fully-fledge members of AFLanon!

Am I being unfair?

"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #212 –
Quote from: LP – on
King is talking from his experience, from his old days, it is almost a different game from just 2 years ago!

I'm not sure we yet have the measure of what scoring is normal under the 2021 rules, we could well see clubs kicking 150pts before season is out!

Two years ago they all complained, loudly and non-stop, how boring footy had become, the scoring problem, now they are calling for scoring restriction tactics, the over-scoring problem.

Maybe there isn't a weathervane on earth that turns as fast as an AFL specialist commentators does. Maybe what King is better at than anything else is reading fan sentiment, not unlike Kane Cornes! They might well be fully-fledge members of AFLanon!

Am I being unfair?

One thing for certain, you have to score more than the opposition to win games.  If the tide is turning towards higher scores, mostly kicked by forwards, it's better that we get that right. 

I have a dream of a forward line with Curnow/McKay kicking 3-4 each, McGovern presenting up higher and feeding Fisher/Martin/Gibbons who all chip in with their share.  It's a big dream I know, but at least the building blocks are kind of there (crosses fingers).

Then we may be back to the Tommy Hafey theory - the opposition may kick 13 or 14 goals, but we kick 19 or 20 and win every time.  Makes for a better game of footy to watch as well.

Well, I'm allowed to dream, aren't I?
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #213 –
There might not be much in it, but I think King is somewhat better than Cornes. Once you strip away the made-for-fans bluster and antics, his point that we need to make some structural changes to our defence is both obvious and reasonable. I could personally live without watching or hearing someone impersonating an angry fan, but that's just me.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #214 –
Leigh matthews once stated.

First to 16 wins the game.

I dont see that changing anytime soon, and now that I've posted this watch our games and see what happens.

Its a psychological barrier.   Teams kick 16 goals and either they win it in a canter or the opposition sneak their way back in and snatch victory from the jaws of defeat because complacency sets in.

I'll stick to that, and let the pundits state their bollocks.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #215 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
There might not be much in it, but I think King is somewhat better than Cornes. Once you strip away the made-for-fans bluster and antics, his point that we need to make some structural changes to our defence is both obvious and reasonable. I could personally live without watching or hearing someone impersonating an angry fan, but that's just me.

King is the best special comments/ analyst in the caper. Like everyone he gets things wrong but he gets a lot right, he doesn't show any bias if anything he is harder on his own club.
He called the Dangerfield hit for what it was when everyone else said it was an accident.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #216 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
King is the best special comments/ analyst in the caper. Like everyone he gets things wrong but he gets a lot right, he doesn't show any bias if anything he is harder on his own club.
He called the Dangerfield hit for what it was when everyone else said it was an accident.

I don't have Foxtel, so whatever exposure I have to King is from video snippets or articles in the free press. My issue is with the form rather than the content. If he delivered his thoughts without the theatrical die-hard-Cartlon-fan carry-on, it would be a lot better IMO. Listening to him at times, he sounds like folks on here after a bad loss. I don't know whether my tastes are eccentric or pernickety, but him and many others are insufferable far too often. My personal preference is for someone like Daniel Hoyne. He's not a commentator, but I like the way he just presents the data and leaves the histrionics behind :

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/purefooty/pure-footy-david-king-and-daniel-hoyne-crunch-the-numbers-on-the-games-biggest-trends/news-story/27054450945050174f10eefdf17e578d#share-tools

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #217 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
King is the best special comments/ analyst in the caper. Like everyone he gets things wrong but he gets a lot right, he doesn't show any bias if anything he is harder on his own club.
He called the Dangerfield hit for what it was when everyone else said it was an accident.
Do doubt, but that doesn't mean he is immune to flipping opinion and it doesn't make him immune to hypocrisy.

King was one of the AFLs loudest critics of low scoring and poor game spectacles, now the game style is basically what he asked for and he's telling us it's no good!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #218 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I don't have Foxtel, so whatever exposure I have to King is from video snippets or articles in the free press. My issue is with the form rather than the content. If he delivered his thoughts without the theatrical die-hard-Cartlon-fan carry-on, it would be a lot better IMO. Listening to him at times, he sounds like folks on here after a bad loss. I don't know whether my tastes are eccentric or pernickety, but him and many others are insufferable far too often. My personal preference is for someone like Daniel Hoyne. He's not a commentator, but I like the way he just presents the data and leaves the histrionics behind :

https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/afl/purefooty/pure-footy-david-king-and-daniel-hoyne-crunch-the-numbers-on-the-games-biggest-trends/news-story/27054450945050174f10eefdf17e578d#share-tools

Confess to liking them both, though for very different reasons.

I think they're clearly pointing out, and I've commented on this here, is that we've simply gone too far with such an offensive mindset.

Seems to me that when your mindset is so singularly 'attack' focussed, defensive accountability goes out the door... perhaps accountability, full stop, is a casualty of such a one-dimension approach?

 
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #219 –
One incident makes a trend these days according to all the media and analysts.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #220 –
Quote from: dodge – on
One incident makes a trend these days according to all the media and analysts.
Once = 'trend'
Twice = 'complete change in direction'
Thrice = 'traditional'

....then the circle starts again
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #221 –
7 of Collingwood's total of 13 marks inside 50 were in the 1st quarter.

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #222 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
7 of Collingwood's total of 13 marks inside 50 were in the 1st quarter.
Probably Elliott and Degeoy, wonder who they were playing on?

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #223 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Probably Elliott and Degeoy, wonder who they were playing on?

I don't remember the specifics, but Kane Cornes said Plowman had Elliott the whole of the 1st quarter, then got moved onto deGoey in the 2nd. Elliott and Jordy are class acts and tough match ups, and when the ball comes in at cruise missile speed because the blokes up the ground are effectively invisible, I would defy any of our defenders to do better.
 

Re: Post Game Passion: AFL 2021 Rd 2: Carlton vs Collingwood

Reply #224 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I don't remember the specifics, but Kane Cornes said Plowman had Elliott the whole of the 1st quarter, then got moved onto deGoey in the 2nd. Elliott and Jordy are class acts and tough match ups, and when the ball comes in at cruise missile speed because the blokes up the ground are effectively invisible, I would defy any of our defenders to do better.
Dont disagree and made comment on Plowmans situation on another thread where I also take aim at the coach...