Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #135 – April 07, 2021, 03:09:41 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on April 07, 2021, 02:48:24 pm

Murphy dislocated his shoulder in his debut season, in tackle by Robert Copeland. Another shoulder injury colliding with Dangerfield in 2012 and a busted cheekbone colliding with Hodge in 2013. And there's probably others that I can't recall. Those three blokes are bigger and heavier than Murphy. Any apprehensiveness on his part is perhaps understandable. He's small, not dirty and alway tried to be a ball player, and has paid the price.

I'm not a fan of labelling any AFL footballer soft. I think it's distasteful. Even the "softest" player does things that would leave all of us running twice as fast the other way.

Agreed, and I remain convinced it's a very narrow perspective of what people think tough is, and I think it says more about the critics than the players!

I can't help but think "some" of the sMurph critics, would think Stan Magro or Darren Milburn were tough, were I see those two as pissweak! Copeland as well for that matter!

PS; I do think we need some mongrel in the team, but it won't be a tougher team if it comes at the expense of sMurph. I don't think that is the contradiction some will claim it to be!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #136 – April 07, 2021, 04:28:20 pm

Quote from: capcom – on April 07, 2021, 03:04:33 pm

Right on @PaulP

Buckley and Johnston were incredibly tough on their own, but they played with some brutal big guys who'd exact savage revenge and, more than often did. Cross Mario, Wow, Val, and you'd get it back in spades.

And before them it was the likes of Big Nic, Waite, etc. We had a long history of enforcers, protectors. The game is santised now.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #137 – April 07, 2021, 04:53:10 pm

Murphy has survived 280+ games, 5/6 coaches, a few CEO's and Heads of Football, 15 or 16 trade periods, 4? 5? contract renewals, savage list cuts etc. If he was as bad as some say, somewhere in that revolving door of coaches, board members, senior executive etc. he would have been found out by now. The club has had plenty of chances to offload him. Former captain, multiple B+F winner, never been dropped as far as I'm aware. But that's all irrelevant, he's soft. EOS lol.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #138 – April 07, 2021, 06:08:20 pm

Quote from: PaulP – on April 07, 2021, 02:48:24 pm

Murphy dislocated his shoulder in his debut season, in tackle by Robert Copeland. Another shoulder injury colliding with Dangerfield in 2012 and a busted cheekbone colliding with Hodge in 2013. And there's probably others that I can't recall. Those three blokes are bigger and heavier than Murphy. Any apprehensiveness on his part is perhaps understandable. He's small, not dirty and alway tried to be a ball player, and has paid the price.

I'm not a fan of labelling any AFL footballer soft. I think it's distasteful. Even the "softest" player does things that would leave all of us running twice as fast the other way.

That attack on the ball with Dangerfield was brutal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnrh5mBCFE

Knocked out here against Port.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6qa1IcQvzc

A section of Carlton fans have always called Murph soft.

If you look hard enough you will always find what you want. No point arguing about it.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #139 – April 07, 2021, 06:21:29 pm

Quote from: Shakin77 – on April 07, 2021, 06:08:20 pm

That attack on the ball with Dangerfield was brutal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnrh5mBCFE

Knocked out here against Port.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6qa1IcQvzc

A section of Carlton fans have always called Murph soft.

If you look hard enough you will always find what you want. No point arguing about it.

Yes, I agree Shakin. I am quite often aware of the sheer inanity of some of the discussions in which I participate, and yet like a moth to the naked flame, I keep going. Not sure what that says about me, but anyway, sometimes the knocks on some of our players are totally out of order, and a spirited response / defence is something I find hard to resist.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #140 – April 07, 2021, 11:15:20 pm

Quote from: Shakin77 – on April 07, 2021, 06:08:20 pm

That attack on the ball with Dangerfield was brutal.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbnrh5mBCFE

Knocked out here against Port.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6qa1IcQvzc

A section of Carlton fans have always called Murph soft.

If you look hard enough you will always find what you want. No point arguing about it.

Thise two examples are what you'd expect from a player, any player on your list. Now document all the times he's pulled out of a contest, didn't tackle and token chased. I'll wait....

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #141 – April 08, 2021, 10:03:13 am

I realise you can only play against your opponent, and it wasn't BigH's fault that he played 4 Qtrs against an undersized defence that played from behind.

But the media calls for a big long term contract are to say the least a little premature.

When BigH does that against some decent defence or defensive tactics we can take note, in game perhaps when Walsh and Cripps aren't dominating the midfield, if he dominates then, when others around him aren't delivering things on a platter, then it'll be a tell!

Kids offer fans a glimmer of a snifter of a poofteenth of potential in a single game, and the player manager is calling for a Buddy Franklin type contract!

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #142 – April 08, 2021, 10:28:13 am

Quote from: LP – on April 08, 2021, 10:03:13 am

When BigH does that against some decent defence or defensive tactics we can take note, in game perhaps when Walsh and Cripps aren't dominating the midfield, if he dominates then, when others around him aren't delivering things on a platter, then it'll be a tell!

Kids offer fans a glimmer of a snifter of a poofteenth of potential in a single game, and the player manager is calling for a Buddy Franklin type contract!

Thought kicking 4 goals against Moore (all Australian CHB) was fair output. Also, while Walsh was he usual self, Cripps was a bit sluggish that game. Could've had a couple more but for 2 brain fades. Noticed against Freo he took his full 30secs in most cases before kicking so maybe lesson learnt there.

Agree, massive contracts on potential are fraught with danger, but by the same token we have a very rare commodity on our hands and we need to secure his services moving forward.

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Reply #143 – April 08, 2021, 11:32:30 am

Harry should be have converted at least 3 additional goals against on the weekend, and probably should have had another 4 from the other two games.

He could well have been leading the coleman by now if not for some fairly crap attempts at goal.

He is a special talent and a long term deal isn't inconceivable. So far we have another million dollar man spending more time injured than playing.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #144 – April 08, 2021, 01:32:48 pm

Quote from: Spanner – on April 07, 2021, 11:15:20 pm

Thise two examples are what you'd expect from a player, any player on your list. Now document all the times he's pulled out of a contest, didn't tackle and token chased. I'll wait....

I will leave that to you. Won't hold my breath.

All we will get is some dribble like "in that game in the 2nd or 3rd quarter, was a contest with I can't remember who, me and my mate saw it.... dribble.... dribble...."

The bloke has never had an issue winning the contested ball or clearances in some very average midfields and his stats over his career back this up.

Like I said if you look hard enough you will find what you want. Sometime you don't even have to look. Just make it up. You will never have to prove it.

Re: Post Game Pandemonium: AFL Rd 3: Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #145 – April 09, 2021, 05:12:49 pm

Murphy has been a loyal servant but his and Betts time is up
It’s s brutal game

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Reply #146 – April 09, 2021, 06:13:06 pm

Cripps and McKay.
It's a bit like Judd and Fevola.
It's what you build a side around.

Get them both done....on long term deals.
The 4 goals against Moore (when probably beaten on the night) was arguably a better performance than the 7 against Freo.

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Reply #147 – April 09, 2021, 06:18:58 pm

Quote from: keogh – on April 09, 2021, 05:12:49 pm

Murphy has been a loyal servant but his and Betts time is up
It’s s brutal game

Might as well nurse Smurf to 300 now.

Nothing to suggest Betts' time is up. Zilch.

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Reply #148 – April 09, 2021, 06:36:20 pm

Quote from: flyboy77 – on April 09, 2021, 06:18:58 pm

Might as well nurse Smurf to 300 now.

Nothing to suggest Betts' time is up. Zilch.

With Martin and Fisher out for a while we need Eddie, Fogarty is really a mid and Gibbons spends time between midfield and being a forward so Eddie is really our only specialist small forward pocket available.
Durdin and Owies still have their L Plates on....

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Reply #149 – April 10, 2021, 07:26:08 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on April 09, 2021, 06:36:20 pm

With Martin and Fisher out for a while we need Eddie, Fogarty is really a mid and Gibbons spends time between midfield and being a forward so Eddie is really our only specialist small forward pocket available.
Durdin and Owies still have their L Plates on....

Agree, right now we need (and management expects) W's so we need to field our best side every week. Blooding kids and green shoots has to be done differently now. If Eddie is in the best right now, so be it, he serves a purpose. Its his last year and when the likes of Fisher, Martin and even Owies, Durdin, Carroll are up and running, he won't plat. Simple as that.