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Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #60 –
It was actually Essendon that tired, midway thru the 3rd quarter.  Saw their backs failing to chase and I was very confident we had them and the momentum.  We, on the other hand, got a second wind.

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #61 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
As much as it pains me to say, I like the way the Cheats go about it under Rutten. They never give up that's for sure, whether they can maintain that all year is a another story. In any case, until they have Heppell, Hurley and Hooker on their list, they will be Cheats FC to me.
Their kids did OK and if you look a bit deeper we coughed up 16 goals which isn't great.
Factor in what they had down back in terms of quality defenders and our win doesn't look as good. I'll take the win but I wouldn't want to see the Bombers get coached by anyone decent as they will be hard work down the track with those kids they have coming through.

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Reply #62 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Their kids did OK and if you look a bit deeper we coughed up 16 goals which isn't great.
Factor in what they had down back in terms of quality defenders and our win doesn't look as good. I'll take the win but I wouldn't want to see the Bombers get coached by anyone decent as they will be hard work down the track with those kids they have coming through.
When you have a bunch of new kids you get a bit of a free scope, it's free hit time, because the opposition haven't yet seen enough of them to pull their games apart.

It's when the kids are on their 3rd or 4th game against that the tell happens, which is why Walsh and Weitering are so so good!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #63 –
I thought a lot of fans are being a bit tough on Plowman, they love to whip him. But he along with Parks had a tough gig at the weekend, they were the stay at home guarding 2 or 3 opponents while Jones and Weitering got up the field and intercept marked the footy. Fans have to learn that applauding Weltering or Jones for doing that role comes at a cost to other defenders who get sacrificed. Of course the opposition play through Plowman's or Park's man, because they have 2 or 3 to guard!

But one tell, that Owies tackle in the last, how long since we've seen a SF get to the FB to assist a defender, and what a difference it makes!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #64 –
Quote from: LP – on
I thought a lot of fans are being a bit tough on Plowman, they love to whip him. But he along with Parks had a tough gig at the weekend, they were the stay at home guarding 2 or 3 opponents while Jones and Weitering got up the field and intercept marked the footy. Fans have to learn that applauding Weltering or Jones for doing that role comes at a cost to other defenders who get sacrificed. Of course the opposition play through Plowman's or Park's man, because they have 2 or 3 to guard!

But one tell, that Owies tackle in the last, how long since we've seen a SF get to the FB to assist a defender, and what a difference it makes!

That tackle was a gem, and very important in the scheme of the game.

That tackle alone gets the kid a minimum 4 week stint in the seniors.

He's only just 24 and understands what is required at the elite level.

Appears a strong mark overhead too, which was one of the things that often set Betts apart from his peers.

Hope the young man makes it - efforts like that tackle suggest he has the right stuff.
Finals, then 4 in a row!

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #65 –
Was nice to see Sheedy sitting in the stands suffering, I wonder if he had dropped into Windy Hill before hand to sit besides JHird?

Who was Diesel barracking for?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #66 –
I think our defence works better when we are attacking effectively and not turning the ball over in the middle of the field, eg Cripps left foot kick in the third quarter. Owies, Parks, Cotterel and Gibbons have all come through our Rookie system, and along with Casboult, Curnow, Betts and Saad, this means that over a third of the team were late picks in their draft year. Even though Dow was going ok before he was injured, I thought SPS gave us a real spark when he came on. We have bookends with McKay and Weitering, and a lot of good mid-fielders, we just need greater cohesion and less errors in the middle of the ground. We also need to continue to attack to the end rather than try and put the cue away five minutes out as we did yesterday. They got three goals when the pressure went off, so instead of winning by six we won by three. Good sides like Richmond finish off their opponents. I thought it was a good win by Carlton. Essendon's good players played well, they had confidence from last weeks game against Collingwood and a couple of their young players did well. I thought we were a lot more consistent across the ground. and we kicked more of the goals we should have. Kicking goals when you have the opportunity changes the game. Stringer's miss for them in the last quarter effectively killed the game.

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #67 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Stringer's miss for them in the last quarter effectively killed the game.
100% agree

For all the good things players can do, it's the bad that defines them!
(Note to Cripps, do like a Stringer and want to be all to everyone and sooner or later you win the poison chalice.)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #68 –
The differences, that gave us the edge v cheats.com.au whose stats were also strong:
Efficiency - so important in close games.
Walsh - how good is this kid and just how much better will he get!
Some courage/mongrel - great to see Parks, Owies, Gibbo, McGovern, H & Cottrell make important stands against the cheats.

A few other positives:
SPS creativity in the middle should tell the match committee something.
Saad... really getting into stride.
Owies surprised with effectiveness and courage.
Ripper chases from Parks, McGovern and Owies.
You won't see Eddie miss the big sticks two weeks in row.
Ed quelled Merrett.
Weiters, the rock.
Doc gaining confidence.
The work that Luke Power has done with Cuningham is really showing - now to back it up with pushing and imposing himself in contests - ball in hand his dash and skill is really dangerous.
Fogary's decision making is impressive.

Disappointment/negatives:
We can be our own worst enemies ie we too often still 'beat ourselves.'
Our start.
Crippa down early but stood up when needed in the last.
Gibbo. But did improve on last week's shocker.
Pitto slow to start but endeavour improved in the 2nd half.
Newnes, workmanlike but we have better to return to the side.
Defensive pressure still needs work - allowing cheats to get 16 gls is way too much, especially our first qtr where Tippa was allowed too much opportunity.
Casboult - liability.

But a win is a win is a win.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #69 –
First time in ages both sides have kicked 100 in a game.

We beat them at their own outside game, which we wouldn't normally do. If you play a shoot out type of game you'll kick many but you'll give up many too. Type of game that can get you to finals but not sustainable in big finals.

Last time Carlton and Essendon played a game where both kicked 100 was the 1999 PF. Used to be a normal thing in the 70's, 80s and 90s. We'd give up 100 quite often in winning games back then. Different era now though.

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #70 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Well done to Teague
We point out he's under pressure and scrutiny when the results don't go our way so it's only fair to say that a win relieves that pressure for a bit.
Keep winning and it will be even less of a conversation.

The focus this week will, thankfully, be on others.

The 'ins' worked well for us despite some apprehension in pre-game thoughts.
Most of the match-ups also seemed OK, and where we may have been down in an area it was compensated for in another.

Did I see an emotional tear in the eye of the TT at the end, or was it my imagination??
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Did I see an emotional tear in the eye of the TT at the end, or was it my imagination??
Yes, I noticed that, tears of relief?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #72 –
Agree on SPS....one of his better games and he looked composed with the ball in hand. And I reckon Saad showed exactly why we gave up big to get him. He kicked on goal himself and I reckon his field kicking set up at least another 3. Have said it before, but we've lacked blokes who you'd call "elite" with ball in hand...and he is certainly one of them.

Cunningham, like SPS, looked composed with the ball when he got it. I'd be backing him and Stocker for more time in the middle now along with SPS. Bring Newman back into the HBF and let Stocker have a run in the middle...he doesn't mind the tough stuff.

Loved Owies game and how he stuck to the crowd after that goal from the square. I reckon having him in the side just released Eddie a bit to move up the ground and they both worked well. Harry should've nailed that last one on the sired to make it 5 and equal with Walker in the Coleman.

Cripps was an absolute liability for 3 quarters but he lifted in the last when the game was on the line.

Pitto is crying out for some help in the ruck but just love the way he goes about it every week....smashes in hard.

Is TDK a likely in off the back of a VFL game or need more games? Would love to bring him, Newman and Silvagni in this week.....and sounds like Setterfield was good in the VFL too? Possible outs would be Dow, McGovern and maybe Cottrell and/or Newnes.

Re: Post Game Prognostications!: AFL 2021 Rd 7: Carlton vs Drug Cheat

Reply #73 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Agree on SPS....one of his better games and he looked composed with the ball in hand. And I reckon Saad showed exactly why we gave up big to get him. He kicked on goal himself and I reckon his field kicking set up at least another 3. Have said it before, but we've lacked blokes who you'd call "elite" with ball in hand...and he is certainly one of them.

Cunningham, like SPS, looked composed with the ball when he got it. I'd be backing him and Stocker for more time in the middle now along with SPS. Bring Newman back into the HBF and let Stocker have a run in the middle...he doesn't mind the tough stuff.

Loved Owies game and how he stuck to the crowd after that goal from the square. I reckon having him in the side just released Eddie a bit to move up the ground and they both worked well. Harry should've nailed that last one on the sired to make it 5 and equal with Walker in the Coleman.

Cripps was an absolute liability for 3 quarters but he lifted in the last when the game was on the line.

Pitto is crying out for some help in the ruck but just love the way he goes about it every week....smashes in hard.

Is TDK a likely in off the back of a VFL game or need more games? Would love to bring him, Newman and Silvagni in this week.....and sounds like Setterfield was good in the VFL too? Possible outs would be Dow, McGovern and maybe Cottrell and/or Newnes.
They wont drop Newnes, playing group love him...Kruds man is a bit of a fixture IMO.

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Reply #74 –
I'm a fan of Newnes EB....but his last couple of weeks haven't been as good as some of his earlier games. They might see Setterfield as the replacement for him this week?