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Reply #60 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Then I would do it in a heartbeat and give him a game. Both games I've seen him play he was a cut above the rest
Yep. Hopefully nobody beats us to him.

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Reply #62 –
Quote from: rocky – on
How does it work Krudd? Don't we get 1st dibs?
Reverse ladder order....for teams that have a spot available. Not all teams do, but you can get one with a retirement or a season ending injury.
Marchbank gave us our one.

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Reply #63 –
Quote from: rocky – on
How does it work Krudd? Don't we get 1st dibs?
Nope, it's a draft.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Reverse ladder order....for teams that have a spot available. Not all teams do, but you can get one with a retirement or a season ending injury.
Marchbank gave us our one.

Why isn't Charlie one too?

Surely he's been on the LTI list?
Finals, then 4 in a row!

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Reply #65 –
Is a Crocker type player our most immediate backup need?

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Reply #67 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I'd say KP backup is a greater need.
I think there may be a couple of ruck options we could look at first, at this stage we've got the out of form Pitto and Levi, and the returning fragile talent called TDK.

Having lost McGovern to the hammy, the ruck situation is even more serious.

I've this horrible fear, Pitto or Levi get injured so we ruck BigH, ............ it's Carlton's way, you make em, we break em!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #68 –
Quote from: LP – on
I think there may be a couple of ruck options we could look at first, at this stage we've got the out of form Pitto and Levi, and the returning fragile talent called TDK.

 Having lost McGovern to the hammy, the ruck situation is even more serious.

I've this horrible fear, Pitto or Levi get injured so we ruck BigH, it's Carlton's way!

Yes, fair point. But my hope is that we can negate the opposition ruckman to a degree by our stoppage structures and set ups.

My fear is that we don't really defend as it stands now. If Jones goes down, we're in a bit of trouble. If Weitering goes down, we're in deep do dos and you can confidently shut the gate on 2021 IMO.

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Reply #69 –

Crocker will get a taller player at AFL senior level, Tigers often use Grimes on small players who have marking skills like Eddie, Cameron, Ryan etc. I dont mind taking the punt with Crocker as its a cheap gamble but I wouldnt be expecting bags of goals like at VFL level and he would have to improve his defensive game like I have said previously.
Reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Dean Galea the ex Port/Williamstown mid sized goal kicker...

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Reply #70 –
trade setters and kennedy not good enough for seniors ,get ball kick ball types ,we need to add pace in our midfield and i can see O'Brien on a hbf we his deadly left foot ,bit like salem from melb type but he needs to drink some concrete first
 

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Reply #71 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Dean Galea the ex Port/Williamstown mid sized goal kicker...
Actually, I think Crocker is equal or got Galea covered for size, it's hard to tell these days because they are all bigger than just a decade ago!

I know some sites listed Galea at 188cm, but I'd say on the 180cm side of that! However, Galea was a footballer's footballer.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #72 –
Galea
Quote from: LP – on
Actually, I think Crocker is equal or got Galea covered for size, it's hard to tell these days because they are all bigger than just a decade ago!

I know some sites listed Galea at 188cm, but I'd say on the 180cm side of that! However, Galea was a footballer's footballer.

Galea was around 6'2 and had more meat on him than Crocker and would have been 90kg plus IMO, not as quick as Crocker but strong in the body and like Crocker could kick straight.
Crocker does have an advantage in that he can play up the ground as a winger/mid and does a good imitation of a poor mans Dusty with the fend off.
For half a season at peanut rookie money what is there to lose? We probably have more pressing issues with no backup Key Defenders or Key Forwards but you think back to the likes of Tory Dickson@the Dogs and he made a nice little career out of making good position, kicking straight and has a premiership medal for his efforts.
The other thing is that he has to play each week as well....no point picking him up and plonking him back in the twos, you play him down forward and work a game plan to get the best out of him. He wont fire every week but he might win 2-3 games for you which might be enough to get a finals berth.
No one will beat Marlon Pickett in terms of mid season pickups but Crocker is a low risk gamble who might pay off with some smart coaching which is probably more of an issue than Crockers ability.

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Reply #73 –
I can't see that a medium / small forward is our priority right now - we have Martin, Murphy, Jack, Honey, Durdin, Ramsay [and Fisher] all on the list who didn't play on the weekend. That's 7 players, plus Matt Kennedy.

We have very limited backup for KP defenders and Ruck. TDK is on the way back which potentially gives you Levi as the only realistic backup for both roles. If Jones or Weiters got injured we would probably play Parkes as a key defender which is not ideal at this stage of his development. One the numbers and the risks I would be looking for a tall asap.

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: sydneybluesfan – on
I can't see that a medium / small forward is our priority right now - we have Martin, Murphy, Jack, Honey, Durdin, Ramsay [and Fisher] all on the list who didn't play on the weekend. That's 7 players, plus Matt Kennedy.

We have very limited backup for KP defenders and Ruck. TDK is on the way back which potentially gives you Levi as the only realistic backup for both roles. If Jones or Weiters got injured we would probably play Parkes as a key defender which is not ideal at this stage of his development. One the numbers and the risks I would be looking for a tall asap.

Its not really about priority right now.

Its about getting quality cheaply that may pay off.

Whatever KP or ruck we'd likely get in the midseason draft could take years to come on. Very few are capable of playing AFL level to any decent standard.....so what is the point of rookieing someone who can't play unless they are showing they are a cut above VFL level.

Crocker could perform at AFL level now, but IMO he'd get drafted next year off the back of his efforts this year. So why not get him cheap now. He could play now too.

If there was an 18/19yo tall kid who was lighting up the 2's, yes, they would fill a need in the long term, wouldn't give us squat now though. Could we get better at the end of season draft? Via trade? I think so.