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Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #15 –
Tend to agree with MBB that it can a bit of a popularity award with the coaches and that there is room for manipulation depending on contract triggers etc.
The top three was clearly right which was the important result to look at.

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #16 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Tend to agree with MBB that it can a bit of a popularity award with the coaches and that there is room for manipulation depending on contract triggers etc.
The top three was clearly right which was the important result to look at.
So somehow magically and arbitrarily the coaches collude to place legitimate votes for the winners who happen to be fan favourites, but submit corrupt votes for the rest who just happen to be fan whipping boys!

IC, we are through the looking glass here people!  8) :-X

In Plowman's case, they / he has been doing this his whole career, I mean he's been manipulating relationships to deliver favourable results since he began, and yet he is stupid apparently. Smarter than some it seems! He must be a master fraudster, and we've let him in the door! :o
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #17 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Tend to agree with MBB that it can a bit of a popularity award with the coaches and that there is room for manipulation depending on contract triggers etc.
The top three was clearly right which was the important result to look at.
Agree. Call out to Ed Curnow who once again had an outstandingly consistent year. To paraphrase Mark Twain, “The reports of his  death are greatly exaggerated.” Think he can go on for more than the one year extension.

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #18 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
What's more believable a club manipulating it's best and fairest to suit  their salary cap or channel 7 all secretly barracking for the bombers or the the AFL having secret anti Carlton meetings?
So Jab Snr barracks for Carlton, Eddie Everywhere is just genuine, Caro is a fan girl, Whatley declared his love and Kevin Sheedy is a prophet, so we'd do well to take their advice!

And Carlton manipulated the B&F results so that the guy they are yet to sign but want to sign long term finished 1st, massively increasing his worth! To do what for the salary cap, and the coaches and coaching assistants planned this from Rnd 1, what insight, what planning and foresight!

Yet they didn't see the sack coming! :o

Sort of like the Psychic having to cancel the show due to unforeseen circumstances!
"Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck ....... Ruck, ruck, ruck, ruck"

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #19 –
Quote from: rocky – on
Agree. Call out to Ed Curnow who once again had an outstandingly consistent year. To paraphrase Mark Twain, “The reports of his  death are greatly exaggerated.” Think he can go on for more than the one year extension.
Agree on Ed Curnow, solid performer all year and imo probably more consistent than Cripps..

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #20 –
Quote from: LP – on
So Jab Snr barracks for Carlton, Eddie Everywhere is just genuine, Caro is a fan girl, Whatley declared his love and Kevin Sheedy is a prophet, so we'd do well to take their advice!

And Carlton manipulated the B&F results so that the guy they are yet to sign but want to sign long term finished 1st, massively increasing his worth! To do what for the salary cap, and the coaches and coaching assistants planned this from Rnd 1, what insight, what planning and foresight!

Yet they didn't see the sack coming! :o

Sort of like the Psychic having to cancel the show due to unforeseen circumstances!

I know of a club where a big name polled the most votes in the final game of the year in a game which he struggled bumping his way into 10th to trigger his 50k bonus. Whispers all around the room , the player was embarrassed especially as he told all his team mates before of his trigger.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #21 –
Oh Corey McKernan.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #22 –
Quote from: jeza – on
Sensational year by Walsh but only winning by 11... I love Weit but really? And Plowman - indictment on the playing group that he makes top 10... as well as those voting obviously.

Yep, what would they know…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #25 –
So it begs the question...
Which players out of the top 10 should have been there....and before answering, just check how many games they played?
If you don't play there's a fair chance you won't attract too many votes.

Jack Silvagni played only 15 games
The rest of the top 10 played at least 19

Had Jack played those extra four games there's a fair chance he would have jumped up a spot or two.

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #27 –
Quote from: Lods – on
So it begs the question...
Which players out of the top 10 should have been there....and before answering, just check how many games they played?
If you don't play there's a fair chance you won't attract too many votes.

Jack Silvagni played only 15 games
The rest of the top 10 played at least 19

Had Jack played those extra four games there's a fair chance he would have jumped up a spot or two.

Do we give votes for participation?

Betts finished 9th and was delisted. Pretty obvious what happened there.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #28 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Do we give votes for participation?

Betts finished 9th and was delisted. Pretty obvious what happened there.

What happened?
Did you expect him to go on...I didn't.
He played 19 games.
Many of those he was hardly sighted.
But he obviously performed a role that the coaches were happy with...whether that was as a decoy, or his forward pressure.
He did what was asked of him to the extent he earned votes.

Re: Congratulation Sam Walsh - B+F winner 2021

Reply #29 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Do we give votes for participation?

Betts finished 9th and was delisted. Pretty obvious what happened there.
I didn't realise they are supposed to sit down at the end of the season and issue votes retrospectively as per the list management guidelines.

Perhaps they just give votes on the day when and where it is deserved?

If you think Plowman getting votes is corrupt, then Walsh winning must be corrupt as well, you can't have it both ways. If Plowman's votes came undeservedly, they came from someone who deserved them, maybe from Walsh but maybe also from Weitering or McKay. You can't know, you are free to arbitrarily choose a bias, but it is still a bias!
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