Carlton Supporters Club

It seems strawman enthusiasts are never so happy as when they make up promises they claim have been broken. Even before the election, the claim was made on this site that Albo had promised to increase minimum wages by 5% even though no such promise was made. As has been stressed by reasonable observers, only the FWC has the power to do that. Now we have a false assertion that Albo promised to stop live exports within this parliamentary term. That’s just not true. Shorten promised to end live exports within 5 years (note, there was no promise to end it before the following election if he won) while Albo wouldn’t commit to any timeframe. But why let facts get in the way? Let’s just assert that Albo promised to do it more quickly than Shorten …

For the record, this is a report published by the ABC on 5 May, a fortnight before the election:
Labor confirms plan to end live sheep exports if Albanese becomes PM

In other words, the animal rights activists were under no delusion that the ALP had promised to ban the trade in its first term. In fact they were well aware no such promise was being given.

"An elected Albanese Labor government will phase out live sheep exports in consultation with the industry and the West Australian government on what needs to happen given this decline," the statement said.

Did you think this bit in the statement & the refusal to commit to timelines suggested Labor was hellbent on a ban?
Phasing out doesn’t scream a shuddering halt to me and the consultation with the WA Govt and the industry makes it plain Labor was watering down what Shorten promised. Even the animal rights activists saw the writing on the wall.

Not that I’m elated by this position. I’d prefer a ban this term. But Labor was burnt by promises Shorten made and like it or not the lesson of electoral disasters is that you have to give up policies that hurt you. An example is the promise Shorten made to ditch negative gearing. That was a good policy but the electorate made it clear that was not on. There were too many exploiting that lurk or who were aspirationals who imagined they would exploit it on the way to becoming billionaires.

No that's political speak for im going to take action after consultation if the industry agrees but if they disagree im going to do SFA about it.

Did you think this bit in the statement & the refusal to commit to timelines suggested Labor was hellbent on a ban?
Phasing out doesn’t scream a shuddering halt to me and the consultation with the WA Govt and the industry makes it plain Labor was watering down what Shorten promised. Even the animal rights activists saw the writing on the wall.

Not that I’m elated by this position. I’d prefer a ban this term. But Labor was burnt by promises Shorten made and like it or not the lesson of electoral disasters is that you have to give up policies that hurt you. An example is the promise Shorten made to ditch negative gearing. That was a good policy but the electorate made it clear that was not on. There were too many exploiting that lurk or who were aspirationals who imagined they would exploit it on the way to becoming billionaires.

Isn’t that what I said?

Rather than being defensive, I’m on the offensive against outright lies being spread by Murdoch and his ilk. Sky News and the Daily Mail were the ones pushing this nonsense. If those outlets claimed it’s currently winter in Australia, I’d do my homework before accepting it.

Not defensive. Now you’re being offensive.

You’ve conceded that the statement released before the election pretty much gave the WA Govt and the industry the ability to block action in this parliamentary term and yet you imply that Labor promised a ban in this term and broke that promise. Which is it?

I take Phasing out as a Yes and it will go through parliament as legislation, I take not in the term of this Government as a No and we might think about it if you elect us again.
I believe Libs 2IC Susan Ley would have supported the proposal as she was keen to support the idea a while back.
Happy to concede I am a meat eater but I wont eat meat that comes from known inhumane treatment sources or where baby animals eg Lambs, Veal or young Pigs are slaughtered. The thought of sheep being thrown into live mincers or some asian slaughterhouse beating cattle heads in with Sledgehammers makes me want to do same to the perpetrators so for me I'd like to see some bipartisan agreement reached where proper standards both here and for export are adopted.
As I said I enjoy my rib eye/scotch fillet and a parma but I want my Aus animals treated properly in the process...

Defensive.


All politicians are liars, and all of them break election promises probably because they don't understand the full impact of those decisions until they see the wider impact those policies effect.

No they're not, 3 Leos. A sweeping generalisation there old son.