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At the 2022 Federal Election which party will receive your first preference?

LNP
[ 7 ] (26.9%)
ALP
[ 8 ] (30.8%)
Greens
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
One Nation
[ 0 ] (0%)
United Australia Party
[ 3 ] (11.5%)
Other
[ 2 ] (7.7%)
None of the Above
[ 4 ] (15.4%)

Total Members Voted: 26

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Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #270 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Not according to a raft of economists speaking in the lead up to the election EB.

Wages growth linked to productivity isn’t inflationary.  The challenge for the new government will be to develop the framework for that to happen.  The first step would be to seek advice from beyond Treasury … but I’m not sure they’re that courageous/innovative. 🤔
It is interesting, you'll find those wealthy enough or earning enough to save or invest will advocate that wages growth is inflationary, that is because they speak from a perspective of accumulating cash.

Many academics will tell you wage growth for low earners isn't inflationary when the bulk of the people getting the rise are living hand to mouth, that is circular cash and it cannot possible contribute to inflation, because it goes straight back to those who give it out. It's just a shift in the location and timing of the funds.

Ironically, if you want people to be self-funded retirees you need some level of interest rates higher than the current rates, so that investments and superannuation see growth. The RBA is charged with managing that, but I have to wonder if they genuinely think a wage rise to the bottom 2% is inflationary if they are fit for purpose, because that seems more political than economically rational.

So for me opposing a wage rise for low earners seems counter-productive, and hypocritical, a bit like accusing them of stealing the icing off the cake when in fact they are only being thrown a few crumbs.

PS; It's interesting how quickly Albanese has hit the ground running, it looks like if nothing else he won't be lacking in effort!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #271 –
Well, you can forget any cuts to fuel excise.  marles said no this morning

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #272 –
Quote from: LP – on
PS; It's interesting how quickly Albanese has hit the ground running, it looks like if nothing else he won't be lacking in effort!

He certainly did that! 

Its reported his first change inside parliament was adding in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags behind podium next to Australian flag.

We all knew these sorts of changes are expected with this party but to do it first up is an insight into this PM and what lies ahead. 

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #273 –
Quote from: capcom – on
Well, you can forget any cuts to fuel excise.  marles said no this morning
Yep, high fuel prices are here for a while , min wage earners who drive a car won't get much left from that 5% wage rise if it goes through...of course that effects diesel too so transport costs will be affected and that means more pain at the supermarket...

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #274 –
Quote from: shawny – on
He certainly did that! 

Its reported his first change inside parliament was adding in Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander flags behind podium next to Australian flag.

We all knew these sorts of changes are expected with this party but to do it first up is an insight into this PM and what lies ahead. 

To me this stuff is all optics based quick wins.

Putting two flags up is about as difficult as brushing your teeth in the morning.

The semblance of doing something whilst not really doing anything, and you can get the work experience kid to do it.

It was the responsibility of the students to run the flag up the flagpole when in high school. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

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Reply #275 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
To me this stuff is all optics based quick wins.

Putting two flags up is about as difficult as brushing your teeth in the morning.

The semblance of doing something whilst not really doing anything, and you can get the work experience kid to do it.

It was the responsibility of the students to run the flag up the flagpole when in high school.
You would have thought if it means and costs little or next to nothing while taking no effort at all Scotty from Marketing would have been onto it faster then a seagull on a chip, this concept of easy lip service was basically Scomo's ethos. Yet he wasn't and he didn't!

So in that regard I think it's pretty easy, almost too easy, to dismiss these little things as trivial!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #276 –
Whinging in the US that 'gas' is averaging US4.59 per gallon (about US1.15 a litre)!  12 months ago it was US3.10 a gallon (77cents/litre)
 

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #277 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
To me this stuff is all optics based quick wins.

Putting two flags up is about as difficult as brushing your teeth in the morning.

The semblance of doing something whilst not really doing anything, and you can get the work experience kid to do it.

It was the responsibility of the students to run the flag up the flagpole when in high school. 
Bit of window dressing...

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #278 –
Quote from: dodge – on
Whinging in the US that 'gas' is averaging US4.59 per gallon (about US1.15 a litre)!  12 months ago it was US3.10 a gallon (77cents/litre)
If you think that is bad, wait and see what happens to the price of batteries and other eVehicle components when the price of fuel skyrockets, the experts seem to think the price of fuel is not even bad yet! :o

A lot of critical materials and elements are basically by-products of the petrochemical industry at the moment, when they no longer have to dig holes to get what they need, all the cost of those operations will fall on the ancillary products! ;)
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #279 –
Quote from: LP – on
You would have thought if it means and costs little or next to nothing while taking no effort at all Scotty from Marketing would have been onto it faster then a seagull on a chip, this concept of easy lip service was basically Scomo's ethos. Yet he wasn't and he didn't!

So in that regard I think it's pretty easy, almost too easy, to dismiss these little things as trivial!

Sorry mate, you have to understand something.

Whether those flags existed next to the podium or not makes no difference.

Sure, semiotic and symbolic change, but to laud the incumbent for executing a change, when there are Aboriginal and Torres Straight Island flags on every government building around the country is absolutely not making any real difference aside from optics.

Let me tell you what this actually becomes about.  One upmanship.  The next leader from any party, can then wear a flag on the label of their clothing when in public.

Its like when they support the minority groups national days.  Its all vote winning optics and celebrating what our great country is about...  :D
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #280 –
No problem with flags.
Have as many as you like.
For avid vexillologists such as myself, the only issue is that they're displayed correctly...and they were.
It was immediately noticeable though...and that did represent a point of difference.

Albo's hit the ground running and we're off on a bit of a ride.
His major problem may be curtailing some of the enthusiasm of his colleagues in making some significant changes in a short time period.
One of the things that's always struck me is that a new Labor Government always represents a time of change, where a conservative government tends to adopt a more steady as you go (boring) approach.
Labor Governments are always a more enjoyable and interesting show.

The big issue for the Liberal party is a decision to shift to the right or left.
They're kind of in limbo at the moment.
Do they go after the drifting UAP/One Nation vote or do they look to cut into the strong Independent vote.
Some may think that moving either way is a seismic shift, but the facts of the matter are that it will be largely determined by only a handful of Liberal MP's
The make-up of the new  Parliament is essentially settled.
We're yet to see where those remaining Lib's thinking lands...right or left (centre-right)?

It looks like the initial opposition leader will be Dutton.
While in the long term that probably represents a move right  (and probably a bad long-term move for that party) he remains the strongest of the candidates.
 He's a head kicker who in the short term will challenge the Albanese government.

Whether he's the leader at the next election will largely depend on his electability as seen by his colleagues.
That's when we may see a shift to a more moderate leader
That's how quickly this party can change.
We saw that in the shift from Abbott to Turnbull to Morrison.
But it's troubling and turbulent times ahead for the conservatives.

We often tend to look at these situations after elections and see a party in turmoil.
It seems that sections of their base has largely deserted them, and the prospect of a quick return to government is very unlikely.
We won't know the significance of this loss for a year or two.
It may be years in the wilderness.
A poor performing Albanese government economically may see them back in the race.

One of the interesting aspects I'm picking up from a lot of the Liberals (and Liberal supporters) after this election is that they'd rather see Labor with a clear majority than a hung parliament.
There's probably some degree of anger at the damage the independents have inflicted, but it's also a preference that the contests remain a two-party contest...and the rise of the independents is snuffed out.
I'm wondering whether Labor folk would see it the same in a similar position.
You probably won't hear it expressed as it's worked  in their favour at this election.
This election clearly showed from the failure of both parties, in terms of their primary vote, that folks didn't really find either side inspiring.



Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #281 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
............. but to laud the incumbent for executing a change, when there are Aboriginal and Torres Straight Island flags on every government building around the country is absolutely not making any real difference aside from optics.
So a minute after a flag appears you're seem to be bagging them for not making a real difference! :o

In any case, I'm not sure anybody is lauding anyone at this stage, but that is yet another contrast that exists whether it's superficial or not!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #282 –
While they're implementing "insubstantial changes", they should move Australia Day to a day that everyone can celebrate. As Thryleon says, it's not as though that change really matters, so there should be no objections.

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #283 –
So.....the 'new guy' is no good because some flags made their way into view behind the podium.

Nobody is against those flags.
Nobody is complaining about the time, cost and backlash of those flags being moved.

In fact, there is no logical reason for suggesting its a negative in any meaningful way.

Yet....somehow....he is 'no good' because of it?


Do you ever get the feeling that you've had a lobotomy in your sleep because your brain can't compute how something like this is an issue?  ::)

Re: Election 2022 (Poll added)

Reply #284 –
Talk about too close to call.
and every vote counts etc

Preference count - Deakin
Liberal Party
Michael Sukkar(MP) MP Vote:50.0%
41,320


Labor Party
Matt Gregg Vote:50.0%
41,246


Michael Sukkar leads by 74 votes.
76.2% of votes counted.