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Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #120 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Load of nonsense
Nothing anybody says will convince me that it makes more sense playing Newnes on the wing in priority to Dow
Dow on the wing for me too and needs a run of games not just a couple then dropped back to the VFL. We have invested in the kid and I'm not keen on trading him out unless we get real value back...

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #121 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Yes but surely he’s better than Newnes on the wing?

Not if he’s not getting to the right space or not running hard enough, or maybe not supplying a way out of defence, let alone setting up attacks.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #122 –
Fisher is the other one imo that is very lucky again to hold his spot.  His best is good no doubt but should you hold your place week after week when you on average play a decent game if your lucky 1 in every 3 weeks.

I was a fan but I’ve given him more time then most to show what he can bring and yet we get the same output year after year.  He has been in the system long enough to play consistent footy.
 

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #123 –
Same re Fisher ... not up to it and well short of what I expected.

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Reply #124 –
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #125 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
Give him a decent chance, run him on the wing and change with an inside mid. In any case, this problem won't exist soon as he will move on elsewhere.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #126 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.
True but he needs a decent run at it and I think he might be better now we have a deeper midfield with Hewett and Cerra.Its one of the few positions we don't have cemented with regulars on either wing..

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #127 –
If Jack Carroll isn't the medical sub this week and either of Cottrell or Setterfield is, I will spew up (no pun intended).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #128 –
Dow is not very good on the wing - half forward would be more his thing.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #129 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
If Jack Carroll isn't the medical sub this week and either of Cottrell or Setterfield is, I will spew up (no pun intended).
Agree, Carroll has some decent skills and should be a good long term player.
Don't see either Cottrell or Setterfield improving or staying on the list..

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Reply #130 –
Walsh and Cerra make more sense on the wing than Dow.  The problem with Dow is, if he isn't having a good game in the middle, there is literally no where else to play him into form even for a spell.  He isnt a good finisher to play forward, and I think isnt a wing player.  Setterfield isnt much better, but Setterfield has a better aerial game and is taller than Dow and if you arent a silky skills winger with a good engine, then you need to be a marking target, and Dow isnt either of those.

His problem is simply that he is too one dimensional, and I think Docherty has that spot on.  We gain more by putting Stocker into the mix, and playing Docherty, Saad or even maybe Newman on the wings, than we do pushing Dow out there.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #131 –
I'm really not sure what the point of the Docherty comments was....

You would have to think it was OK'd by the club, but what's the message?
Is it directed at the fans or at Dow?
Dow's busting a gut and playing well at VFL level...so it can't be asking him to do more?
In ours and Dow's mind it clearly indicates that Docherty (and by extension, the club) rates him well down the list.
It also indicates that the likelihood of Dow reinventing himself to claim another position is quite unlikely.
Does Dow take all this onboard.
How does it impact on his relationship with Docherty.

The only positive in the comments is that Dow will likely get a chance at some stage, but he needs to grasp that opportunity when it arises.

Long term I can't see Dow at Carlton next year.
Problem is, will other clubs get an appreciation of his worth languishing in the VFL.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #132 –
Nailed it Thry!

You could play Walsh or Cerra on the wing with a defensive winger on the other side.  That would still mean Cripps, Hewett, Kennedy, Dow and one of Walsh and Cerra rotating through the midfield and resting forward.  Fisher would have to go.

I guess Newnes keeps his spot as a steady defensive winger.  I’d prefer Cottrell’s ability to pull off contested possessions against the odds but Newnes is more reliable if less damaging.  Setters is stiff, particularly after his efforts in the ruck 🙄

Hindsight is great but Levi would have been handy.  Giving preference to McDonald made sense, but we didn’t bank on his injury woes.

There are no easy wins but I think this is a good time for us to play North.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

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Reply #133 –
Walsh can play wing like ge did in his first season but he will be sacrificing his game for the team and Dow.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2022 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs North Melbourne

Reply #134 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Dow has struggled on the wing in the past.

When he comes back in , he needs to be given every opportunity to succeed, not just fill a vacant space in the team. The wing will not give him that opportunity.  We will have injuries in the coming weeks andf he will get his chance. It is then up to him to take that chance.