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Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #90 –
The sanfl is last touch by foot.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #91 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Adrian Barridge labelling SOS the newest sledging machine in the league.

I reckon that's pretty obvious. ;)  :)
I made a similar observation on page one of this thread.

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I reckon Jack might not be the most popular bloke as far as the opposition is concerned.
He seems to get into a lot of 'discussions' ;D

He gets in more blues than Mike Tyson. ;D

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #92 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Agreed....imagine a defender going for a match saving spoil in the back pocket in the dying seconds of a game and be penalised because the ball goes out? Opponent gets a shot on goal....

This is one that actually confuses me.
Maybe I'm missing something.

If a player deliberately kicks a ball out of bounds it's a free kick.
If a player in attempting to spoil a mark knocks the ball out of play (often with obvious intent to find the boundary) it isn't.
The question is why?

18.10 OUT OF BOUNDS
18.10.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be encouraged to keep the football in play.
18.10.2 Free Kicks - Out of Bounds
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player who:
(a) Kicks the football Out of Bounds On the Full;
(b) Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Boundary Line and
does not demonstrate sufficient intent to keep the football in play; or
(c) fails to immediately hand the football to the boundary Umpire or drop
the football directly to the ground once the football is Out of Bounds.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #93 –
Quote from: Lods – on
This is one that actually confuses me.
Maybe I'm missing something.

If a player deliberately kicks a ball out of bounds it's a free kick.
If a player in attempting to spoil a mark knocks the ball out of play (often with obvious intent to find the boundary) it isn't.
The question is why?

18.10 OUT OF BOUNDS
18.10.1 Spirit and Intention
Players shall be encouraged to keep the football in play.
18.10.2 Free Kicks - Out of Bounds
A field Umpire shall award a Free Kick against a Player who:
(a) Kicks the football Out of Bounds On the Full;
(b) Kicks, Handballs or forces the football over the Boundary Line and
does not demonstrate sufficient intent to keep the football in play; or
(c) fails to immediately hand the football to the boundary Umpire or drop
the football directly to the ground once the football is Out of Bounds.

Spoils can't be penalised as deliberate, even if it goes 20 rows back.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #94 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
Could consider the idea of "indirect free kicks" i.e. cannot  directly score a goal from such frees?

Like a 'corner' in some rectangular fielded sports?

Different, but has legs.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #95 –
The last kick out being an auto free is not a big deal as it hardly happens. It just takes the grey area away.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #96 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The last kick out being an auto free is not a big deal as it hardly happens. It just takes the grey area away.
...and it forces players to try and keep the ball in rather than escort it over the line.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #97 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Like a 'corner' in some rectangular fielded sports?

Different, but has legs.

Exactly. Would need some more thought and work but  the idea is promising imho.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #98 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
...and it forces players to try and keep the ball in rather than escort it over the line.

All of the deliberate kicks are paid and all of the accidental.
Currently we have some of the deliberate paid and some of the accidental. It's just plain stupid.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #99 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Spoils can't be penalised as deliberate, even if it goes 20 rows back.

What's the rule that says that?

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #100 –
Quote from: Lods – on
What's the rule that says that?

Not sure if there is a written rule or not, but the logic follow this.
His intention was to spoil first and foremost, NOT hit the ball out of bounds.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #101 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Not sure if there is a written rule or not, but the logic follow this.
His intention was to spoil first and foremost, NOT hit the ball out of bounds.

As far as I can see it is not a rule.
I'll stand corrected if you can find it.

Often the intent of the spoiling player is obviously to force the ball out of play.

Rule 18.10.2 (b)  Kicks, Handballs or 'forces'  the football over the Boundary Line...

is a rule and seems quite clear.

It should be a free kick if the intention of the player  (in the opinion of the umpire) is to put the ball over the boundary line.

It happens every week.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #102 –
Quote from: Lods – on
As far as I can see it is not a rule.
I'll stand corrected if you can find it.

Often the intent of the spoiling player is obviously to force the ball out of play.

Rule 18.10.2 (b)  Kicks, Handballs or 'forces'  the football over the Boundary Line...

is a rule and seems quite clear.

It should be a free kick if the intention of the player  (in the opinion of the umpire) is to put the ball over the boundary line.

It happens every week.


I think i've heard this discussed by an umpire.

As mentioned, you intention is to spoil. It cannot be deliberate if its a spoil.

If you start paying that then you get players holding back on their spoils so they don't get pinged for deliberate, which means the ball is more likely to be marked.

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #103 –
18.5 MARKING CONTESTS
18.5.1 Spirit and Intention
The Player whose sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark shall be permitted to do so

Re: AFL Rd 15 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #104 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I think i've heard this discussed by an umpire.

As mentioned, you intention is to spoil. It cannot be deliberate if its a spoil.

If you start paying that then you get players holding back on their spoils so they don't get pinged for deliberate, which means the ball is more likely to be marked.

Rather than worrying about introducing new rules like 'last touch', just enforce the rules as they are .
The onus should be on the spoiling player to make the spoil sure, but also keep the ball in play not deliberately knock it out of bounds.
There is a difference between a spoil that goes to ground and rolls out and one that gets deliberately knocked twenty metres into the stand.

Quote from: kruddler – on
18.5 MARKING CONTESTS
18.5.1 Spirit and Intention
The Player whose sole objective is to contest or spoil a Mark shall be permitted to do so

Yep that's fair
The key words are "sole objective" and when you deliberately knock it over the line it's no longer a sole objective.
It becomes a spoil and a reset