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Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #105 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
I have watched it 3 times from all the angles they show and it's not a duck. It was a high tackle.
The one I remember is the tackler’s hand on the upper arm and Pickett thrust his hand up like Hermoine Grainger  desperately wanting to answer a question. This definitely qualifies under “Tackle around shoulder area and arm pushes tackle up”. And that’s leaving to one side the Kung Fu double kick to make the umpire think it was a coathanger.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #106 –
You're allowed to shrug tackles. He didn't lower his body, he just isn't that tall.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #107 –
He raised his arm for no reason other than to force the tackler’s hand onto his shoulder. That’s the precise action that the AFL says should not draw a free kick. You say you’re allowed to shrug a tackle. That’s why the AFL says the call should be “play on”; note that it doesn’t say the player who does this should be penalised. So, you’re right: you’re allowed to do it but on the other hand you don’t get a free kick for doing this. But if the player who tries to milk a free kick decides to put Mayo on it by acting as though he’s been in a UFC fight, bad luck: that’s holding the ball. Either handball or give the ball to the opposition. Simples.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #108 –
Every game has its 'howlers' but in our game I saw one classic howler that a Pussies' player got away with which also resulted in a goal. Forward pocket running along the boundary with a BlueBagger holding him and he bounced the ball then shrugged the tackle... dropping the ball, but no free. Wonder if anyone else saw it. They don't come much more obvious than that.

22 is a very good umpire - just ask him.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #109 –
Quote from: Mav on
He raised his arm for no reason other than to force the tackler’s hand onto his shoulder. That’s the precise action that the AFL says should not draw a free kick. You say you’re allowed to shrug a tackle. That’s why the AFL says the call should be “play on”; note that it doesn’t say the player who does this should be penalised. So, you’re right: you’re allowed to do it but on the other hand you don’t get a free kick for doing this. But if the player who tries to milk a free kick decides to put Mayo on it by acting as though he’s been in a UFC fight, bad luck: that’s holding the ball. Either handball or give the ball to the opposition. Simples.

Some players do milk free kicks but every player wants to shrug the tackle. This new rule discriminates against shorter players who are basically fair fame to be clotheslined.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #110 –
It might be argued that failure to crack down on smaller players attempting to create head high contact discriminates against tall players. If you’re a 200cm guy trying to tackle a 175 cm guy, it’s already difficult to avoid giving away a free kick. But when the 175 cm guy wriggles around to try to create some apparent head to bicep contact, it’s impossible. Maybe the AFL should ban tall players from tackling to avoid a wave of head to bicep concussions?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #111 –
Quote from: Mav on
It might be argued that failure to crack down on smaller players attempting to create head high contact discriminates against tall players. If you’re a 200cm guy trying to tackle a 175 cm guy, it’s already difficult to avoid giving away a free kick. But when the 175 cm guy wriggles around to try to create some apparent head to bicep contact, it’s impossible. Maybe the AFL should ban tall players from tackling to avoid a wave of head to bicep concussions?

Maybe we should just ban all players under 6 foot. They're a danger to themselves.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #112 –
Or maybe the AFL could discourage players under 6 foot from being a danger to themselves. Trying to draw head contact shouldn’t be rewarded. Neil Sache did it by lowering his head into the chest of an oncoming tackler and he spent a lifetime in a wheelchair as a result.

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Reply #113 –
Quote from: Mav on
Or maybe the AFL could discourage players under 6 foot from being a danger to themselves. Trying to draw head contact shouldn’t be rewarded. Neil Sache did it by lowering his head into the chest of an oncoming tackler and he spent a lifetime in a wheelchair as a result.
There is too much subjectivity in the way it is implemented, and the opposite as well which I think is even more proof there is some change needed.

For example, when did you last see Cripps get a free kick for high contact? Last weekend while breaking away from a boundary line stoppage I saw Cripps get hit high(neck / jaw) twice in succession, palm slaps only but even so, and he still didn't get a free! After he disposed of the ball he just held his jaw and shook his head!

Should Cripps have done a Menegola, and thrown his arm in the air while twisting to flop on his back like a fish?
The Force Awakens!

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Reply #114 –
Ask Ginnevan (and pickett) where he learned to do that.
If either of them don't say from watching players like Selwood, then they are liars.

The AFL shot themselves in the foot by not doing something about this earlier.
Selwood has been doing this for 350-odd games over 16 years. All the kids being drafted today wouldn't remember a 'pre-shrug' kind of game. They've grown up with it their whole lives and NOW the AFL want to change it.

Too little too late.

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Reply #115 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Every game has its 'howlers' but in our game I saw one classic howler that a Pussies' player got away with which also resulted in a goal. Forward pocket running along the boundary with a BlueBagger holding him and he bounced the ball then shrugged the tackle... dropping the ball, but no free. Wonder if anyone else saw it. They don't come much more obvious than that.

22 is a very good umpire - just ask him.

I saw it Baggers and I agree with you about #22 FIGJAM
 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #117 –
Quote from: NudeNut on
https://www.afl.com.au/news/802959/-he-gets-treated-harshly-dimma-wants-umps-to-give-nank-a-fair-go
Wonder if we ever make a call to the Umpiring department on how Crippa gets held every week without the ball?
What do they say about squeaky wheels?

Nankervis along with Cotchin is Richmonds biggest sniper, amazing how many elbows and knees he manages to land on opposition players while feigning it was accidental, he got away with it for the glory years along with decking players off the ball and its good to see now he is being pinged by umps and giving away costly frees and fifties.....
Cripps has been held, blocked/shepherded out of contests illegally since Noah built the ark but umps just see him as big enough to handle the manhandling and work though it, thats what happens when you are a superior footballer.
Kouta was another who opposition teams just illegally held and blocked him from getting to the ball and then eventually had to resort to injuring him because he was too athletic for his own good.
This is why Greg Williams took matters into his own hands and belted opposition players week after week to get the dirty scumbag taggers to stop their illegal ways...

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #118 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 on
Nankervis along with Cotchin is Richmonds biggest sniper, amazing how many elbows and knees he manages to land on opposition players while feigning it was accidental, he got away with it for the glory years along with decking players off the ball and its good to see now he is being pinged by umps and giving away costly frees and fifties.....
Whingers are winners.

You know I've written this many times here, Dimma and Scott are A-Grade Gold Star whingers who through making off-field commentary influence the way umpires adjudicate the games they play.

That commentary also pumps up the crowds, and makes the umpires become subconsciously sympathetic to the cause.

No matter what the umpires or AFL officials may claim, the umpires cannot unhear what Dimma and Scott say and the umpires are not immune to the influence of that commentary.
 
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #119 –
This just has the feeling of a bit of a schemozzle.
We'll hear the howls when a player like Selwood continues to get away with it.
We'll hear the howls when one of our blokes isn't rewarded.

It's like the dissention rule.
It puts a burden on the umpire that is very subjective.
Have a look back at the recent discussion here and you'll see that two people can have a totally different opinion of exactly the same situation.

I'll go against the grain here....
To me a high tackle is a high tackle and should be penalised.

Introduce a whole range of options and caveats and it gets very confusing.
No doubt it will influence the results of some games.