AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

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Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #45 – July 24, 2022, 10:55:21 pm

Personally, I thought Durdin put himself in more dangerous places today and was perhaps more influential than fans will credit, because it was mostly without the footy.

Motlop is still some way off, because it's not what he does when he is around the ball, it what he doesn't do when the opposition win the footy and take it away. Also, I was a bit disappointed to see him flying against Charlie and BigH, sure fans love it but you'd think that our small forwards would have worked out that Big H and Charlie are not regularly out marked, and either bring the ball to ground or mark it many times more than they get beaten in the air.

I thought Durdin, Fisher and Cottrell really hurt GWS with aggressive run today, and that meant when we got the ball GWS were struggling to put the brakes on. It was important because for much of the game I think GWS got first hands on the footy a lot courtesy of Preuss, but we were able to create the turnovers, and then really hurt GWS on the turnover. Also qudos to LoB, was a bit rusty getting back into it, but he was an option all over the ground and that also stretched the GWS ability to stop our momentum.

When Owies and Pttio are fit, it will be interesting to see what Voss does.

I thought Gov was also quite good today, I was reticent about his early return because to me he looked off the pace in the VFL. But I was proven wrong today, Gov was a bit rusty but he made all the different for the likes of Weitering, Young, Plowman and Newman.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #46 – July 25, 2022, 12:01:57 am

Quote from: Lods – on July 24, 2022, 04:59:52 pm

I thought Cripps was awful for most of the day...a little better towards the end.

Got lots of disposals but it was unusual to see that he had many more uncontested possessions than contested ones.

Also butchered the ball and struggled to break away - I still think he might be carrying a niggle.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #47 – July 25, 2022, 12:18:50 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 24, 2022, 09:05:49 pm

GWS are one of the softest teams going around ... but I didn't find too many outstanding players when the game was up for grabs apart from Saad who was best on the ground by a country mile.

Setterfield still doesn't do much for me as a footballer and ok he got a few touches today but the opposition was about as weak as it gets and I'd want to see a whole lot more from him before I pencilled his name in our best 22 for the finals, his kicking is my major concern with him under pressure.

Two players who I did like were LOB and Cottrell who are probably our best bets on the wings and need to be persisted with, was never a fan of LOB but he has won me over to an extent and I now consider him a reliable footballer as is Cottrell who for a U18 no name tagger continues to get the job done each week...nice recruiting from SOS.

McGovern made a useful return which was handy as I feel Young has been slightly off the last couple of weeks and Weitering is still working his way back to his best form.

Saad was a shining light when the game was still up for grabs but was quieter in the final term when most of his teammates decided to join in.

LOB and Cottrell are essential components because they have the tanks to cover the ground to provide defensive coverage for the midfielders who don't. I prefer Newnes over Setterfield as the 3rd winger because, although Setterfield played quite well today, I don't think he kicks the ball well under pressure and there didn't seem to be a lot of pressure today.

One of the big positives of McGovern's return is that it frees up Plowman to play a more attacking role.

Motlop obviously has good skills and a few tricks but I had been disappointed with his apparent lack of acceleration, until today, when he showed a few bursts of real speed - next step is to get him to chase opponents like he chased the loose ball.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #48 – July 25, 2022, 01:26:26 am

Quote from: kruddler – on July 24, 2022, 10:40:54 pm

I find it funny that you are pumping up Honeys tyres but have been critical of our small forwards week in, week out.
Today was one of Honeys best games. Durdin and Motlop were far from their best.

However....

Honey - 14 touches, 14 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 83m gained, 2 I50's, 1.1
Durdin - 6 touches, 14 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 147m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0
Motlop - 5 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 3m gained, 0 I50's, 0.0

Small forwards are required to bring pressure.....and they are all doing that. I thought H had an outstanding game but didnt kick straight. He was there amongst it when the heat was on... Durdin and Motlop not so much. They are young and not having a go at them per se but Honey gets to contests when the heat is on and thats the point

For comparison, here is the same stats for last week against Cats...
Honey - sub
Durdin - 9 touches, 10 pressure acts, 0 tackles, 112m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Motlop - 11 touches, 22 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 53m gained, 1 I50's, 1.0

and the week before against Eagles....
Honey - 4 touches, 10 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 1m gained, 2 I50's, 0.0
Durdin - 10 touches, 12 pressure acts, 5 tackles, 206m gained, 1 I50's, 2.1
Motlop - 11 touches, 13 pressure acts, 2 tackles, 85m gained, 0 I50's, 0.1

Over the last 3 games(or 2 for Honey), averages are as follows....
Honey - 9 touches, 12 pressure acts, 1 tackle, 42m gained, 2 I50's, 0.5-0.5
Durdin - 8.3 touches, 12 pressure acts, 2.7 tackles, 155m gained, 1.3 I50's, 1.0-0.3
Motlop - 9 touches, 16 pressure acts, 3 tackles, 47m gained, 0.3 I50's, 0.3-0.3

So tell me, why is Honey so good, but the rest of our small forwards so bad?

Stats are garbage if not measured accordingly when the heat is on when players go missing., I thought H had an outstanding game but didnt kick straight. He was there amongst it when the heat was on... Durdin and Motlop not so much. They are young and not having a go at them per se but Honey gets to contests when the heat is on and thats the point

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #49 – July 25, 2022, 01:32:45 am

Quote from: RiverRat – on July 25, 2022, 12:18:50 am

Saad was a shining light when the game was still up for grabs but was quieter in the final term when most of his teammates decided to join in.

LOB and Cottrell are essential components because they have the tanks to cover the ground to provide defensive coverage for the midfielders who don't. I prefer Newnes over Setterfield as the 3rd winger because, although Setterfield played quite well today, I don't think he kicks the ball well under pressure and there didn't seem to be a lot of pressure today.

One of the big positives of McGovern's return is that it frees up Plowman to play a more attacking role.

Motlop obviously has good skills and a few tricks but I had been disappointed with his apparent lack of acceleration, until today, when he showed a few bursts of real speed - next step is to get him to chase opponents like he chased the loose ball.

Probably one of the best games I have seen LOB play - a bit more ferocity at the football and mental application to the contest and will be a player.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #50 – July 25, 2022, 08:16:12 am

LOB did some very very good kicks 👌🏼

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #51 – July 25, 2022, 08:40:40 am

We got the job done in the end and the result was never really in doubt imho. Saad was magnificent and I continue to be impressed with Cottrell who has pace, defends really well and kicks accurately. A great find. I ate another serve of humble pie re LOB, very good game.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #52 – July 25, 2022, 08:54:53 am

It's a pretty simple litmus test for me - if we win the clearances, especially out of the centre, we can beat anyone. First use of the ball to Harry and Charlie is tough to beat.

Yesterday, GWS beat us in clearances, but weren't good enough elsewhere to take advantage.

They must bring Pittonet back in next week. Not only will it improve our chances for centre clearance with the #1 rucks are in place, we will also be so much better when the #2s (ie TDK) are put into action.

And we certainly missed Hewitt in the centre square, so hopefully, he's back this week.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #53 – July 25, 2022, 09:23:03 am

Our fate this season highlights how lucky Nthmond were, and the Dogs in their flag season.

Fans give too much credit to Dimma or Beveridge, and too much credit to the list depth and management, when the real reason for the success is an unusually low run of injuries.

Give any AFL team a semi-sensible game plan and it's players a run of consistency, and they can win, they can defeat anybody.

Last weekend's game highlights that, we saw the contrast in the one game, Gov returns and the defence rise. Hewett goes out and the midfield struggles, it's just the way it is and there is very little a coach can do about it.

All the coach can hope for is effort, a willingness to sacrifice, and this season Voss is getting it.

A lot of forums are potting Cripps for being off his game, but he had a different role to play due to the absence of Hewett and Cripps did it well, he drew opponents away from the inside contests, which allowed Kennedy, Cerra and Walsh to continue to go about their way unhindered. If Cripps does what he usually does and hunts the footy at the feet of the rucks we struggle in Hewett's absence. Instead Cripps became more of a link man and opponents had to follow him.

I'd almost give Cripps BoG, for the sacrifice and smarts, except Saad had a blinder!

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #54 – July 25, 2022, 09:53:54 am

Re: Cripps, thought the level of opposition was ordinary and hard to understand why Tom Green was dropped.
I think Cripps just had an off day effective disposal wise and could probably do with a week off to freshen up.Still thought he was value but missed Hewett doing some of the coalface work...

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #55 – July 25, 2022, 09:59:39 am

Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on July 25, 2022, 09:53:54 am

Re: Cripps, thought the level of opposition was ordinary and hard to understand why Tom Green was dropped.
I think Cripps just had an off day effective disposal wise and could probably do with a week off to freshen up.Still thought he was value but missed Hewett doing some of the coalface work...

Crippa needs to stop trying to be the hero/savior and focus bring others into the game (ie selfless)

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #56 – July 25, 2022, 11:19:54 am

'Awful' may have been a bit harsh on my part.
He certainly won his share of the ball.
But I made comment in the game thread that "Cripps was making me nervous with the ball"
His disposal was just off...and ineffective.
He's had the ball 34 time and had 21 handballs which should have helped his disposal efficiency but that's come in at 55.9%

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #57 – July 25, 2022, 01:41:06 pm

Quote from: LoveNavy – on July 24, 2022, 09:53:51 pm

Have I got this right? Knowing there are still several moving parts.

To play finals we need 2 more wins.

If so, we'll be favoured but not guaranteed v Crows at home. What other game do you see us winning?
Dees
Pies
Lions at home

Should win next week and then possibly two losses the next two weeks. Win one and we play finals. The pies game will shape our season as it maybe our grand final to make finals. Also the possibility that if we make finals we will play pies in the first week.
Pies have been good the last couple of months and good on them for coming back to beat teams the last few weeks, but who have they beaten, Adelaide, North and Essendon, all bottom eight teams?

Just luck more than good football. If they were top eight teams then I would be crowing if I were a pies supporter.
We will see how far they go playing top teams who wont give the chance to come back and win the game.

Re: AFL Rd 19 2022 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs GWS

Reply #58 – July 25, 2022, 02:02:38 pm

@LP #53

A few of us have been banging on about the impact injuries have on outcomes. Including the notion that a return from injury doesn't immediately equate to return to good form.

Great post LP

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Reply #59 – July 25, 2022, 02:09:26 pm

Some players resume after injury as though they hadn’t missed any games. Jonathan Brown was a great example: he could miss 6 games and smash it on his return. Others have to start from scratch and work towards regaining form and match fitness.