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Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #180 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The only Carlton game he umpired was our loss to Fremantle. Of course Cripps got 3 votes.

And Cripps was BoG as his 10 AFLCA votes confirms.

Pell was one of three umpires conferring to decide the votes.  I don't know how forceful/persuasive he is but I suspect that AFL umpires would be hard to sway.  I guess that awarding votes to an unexpected player may increase the odds of a spot bet, but I can't see it being the key to the business model.

Spot betting seems to be more open to corruption than betting on the result of a contest and the remedy would seem to be in the hands of the gambling industry.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #182 –
Quote from: DJC – on
And Cripps was BoG as his 10 AFLCA votes confirms.

Pell was one of three umpires conferring to decide the votes.  I don't know how forceful/persuasive he is but I suspect that AFL umpires would be hard to sway.  I guess that awarding votes to an unexpected player may increase the odds of a spot bet, but I can't see it being the key to the business model.

Spot betting seems to be more open to corruption than betting on the result of a contest and the remedy would seem to be in the hands of the gambling industry.

Tiger fan at work reckons this dude was running the ARC in their finals loss to Brisbane.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #183 –
We can’t assume Pell is corrupt. If he did leak his votes, then that would be a sackable offence and his umpiring career would probably be over. But that doesn’t mean he was party to the bets. Goldsack told his mother that he was going to start the GF as a forward and she went out and placed a successful bet on him kicking the first goal. But he may well have had nothing to do with the bet. Indeed, he may have told her she couldn’t use the info to bet or else he’d be in trouble. It’s possible some malevolent friends may have lured Pell into revealing his votes on the basis that they wouldn’t use or pass on the info. If that is the case, he was stupid and irresponsible but not corrupt.

As the wartime posters used to say, “loose lips sink ships.”

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #184 –
Did you piss yourself laughing when you read that the media want the Brownlow voting taken off the umpires, I presume for themselves?

We can rename it the Flubbo / whAteley / bumbeRT / jTurd / wEapon / Dank memorial medal! ;) AKA, the FARTTED!

Imagine those dirty rotten umpires retaining control of the most sacred badged in football, far better off for it to be under the guidance of a Handbagger / CheatsFC duality! ;D

Can you imagine BT, McGuire, Jab Snr, Darcy, Lyon, Cornes and Derwayne voting?

As a little reminder I've got the name of a big media vote winner, Robbert Klomp!

Maybe the media should create a new award, I think Caro has proposed the Golden Chopsticks, but it was a bit of a prickly debate, some claimed they'd rather a stab in the eye than an award from those nuffers!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #185 –
The voting is subjective enough as it is.  What criteria gets you 3 votes?  Some games its metres gained, some games its clearances, some games its possessions, goals kicked, tackles, score involvements, marks or a combination of them all.

Thing is, in any given game you could make a case for multiple players from both sides to get a vote.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #187 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Tiger fan at work reckons this dude was running the ARC in their finals loss to Brisbane.
Tiger fans would say that.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #188 –
I'm a traditionalist and as much as in the past I have questioned umpires voting on it, it should remain as is. I think that one bad egg shouldn't taint the integrity of 99.9% of the umpiring fraternity. Make an example of him which sends a clear message to the rest and everything will be fine.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #189 –
So... they take the voting away from the umpires who have been doing it for 100 odd years and give it to experts?
Are these the so called experts who can never get the mark or goal of the year right?
Or the experts that pick questionable All Australian teams (and Captains)
FFS leave our game alone.
They've already taken away the goal umpiring decisions.
End rant. >:(
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #190 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
They've already taken away the goal umpiring decisions.
Yep, and it's an horrendously slow review process, the game is becoming more like Gridiron by the day, soon we'll have 30s of play and 5min of review.

They are about to add a fourth field umpire in an attempt to eliminate variability and improve marginal decisions, but the problem is that the more field umpires they have the more versions of events they see, it won't help it'll make things worse.

They should kybosh the goal review process and add a second goal umpire to each goal line, this can have a real and very tangible impact on results without slowing the game down at all!

The benefits of extra goal umpires flow onto the boundary line umpires as well, when you have two goal umpires you can have the nearside goal umpire sharing in more of those FP decisions and still get reliable score adjudications.

Finally, removing the goal review removes the score review beggars, it's becoming a blight on the game, legions of players crying foul begging for a goal review because they got a pooftenth of a follicle on the fast moving pill. Even worse, some of the less forthright types have started flicking their fingers randomly when trying to make contact, just to sway or confuse the score reviewer. It won't be long before the over-coaches have this as part of the training drill!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"
 

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #191 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I'm a traditionalist and as much as in the past I have questioned umpires voting on it, it should remain as is. I think that one bad egg shouldn't taint the integrity of 99.9% of the umpiring fraternity. Make an example of him which sends a clear message to the rest and everything will be fine.

My thoughts too!

The integrity of the Brownlow and its voting is not under question.  What is under question is spot betting in general and betting on the Brownlow in particular.  Ban spot betting and betting on the Brownlow and the problem goes away.

Imagine the potential for corruption if former footballers and media folk gave the votes 🙄
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #192 –
The Brownlow voting system is a bit like democracy. Democracy is the worst form of Government except any other. The Umpires voting at the end of each game and deciding who is the fairest and best is the worst way of making that decision except for any other.

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #193 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
The Brownlow voting system is a bit like democracy. Democracy is the worst form of Government except any other. The Umpires voting at the end of each game and deciding who is the fairest and best is the worst way of making that decision except for any other.
The problem with the debating method is displayed in what happened to Greg Williams, one dominant bad egg with a grudge cost him a Brownlow medal, it's like having a single corrupt juror when you need a unanimous decision. In effect he stood over the other umpires and swayed their votes, some call it bullying!

The AFL should require the umpires to vote anonymously and independently, then calculate the 3-2-1 from the anonymous votes!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Brownlow Medal 2022

Reply #194 –
Quote from: LP – on

The AFL should require the umpires to vote anonymously and independently, then calculate the 3-2-1 from the anonymous votes!

Probably an improvement
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