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Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #120 –
And let’s not forget that F1 keeps the licensing fees so high that they keep all the financial benefits of holding a race. In the end, the Government really just subsidises businesses indirectly.

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #121 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Especially Trumpty Dumpty... a name given to him by a Murdoch NY newspaper!

Thanks but I was asking the moderator.

We can't call other posters names,  that's a given.

Opposition players and coaches are a free for all.

Politicians are fair game except be careful with Dan Andrews?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #122 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on

Even Trump?

Yes, the same applies to Humpty Dumpty, Albo, Dutton, Xi Jinping, Putin, Matthew Guy, Andrews, etc.  Have a crack by all means, but stick within the code of conduct's ban on excessive swearing.  I'm surprised that your "D1ckhead Dan" got past the profanity filter  :o

I actually thought it was a quite clever transition from "Dictator"  :)
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #123 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Absolutely Thry, but Visit Victoria’s investment in netball is minuscule in comparison to the dollars put into the GP, Australian Open, etc.

The returns (if any) are equally miniscule though is the point I am making.

https://business.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1551909/tourism_australian_grand_prix_report_2011.pdf

Like I said, I dont need to denigrate Netball but I know what would likely occur if we lost either of the events, and that tourism to the state would be drastically reduced which is extremely bad news. 

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #124 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The returns (if any) are equally miniscule though is the point I am making.

https://business.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0003/1551909/tourism_australian_grand_prix_report_2011.pdf

Like I said, I dont need to denigrate Netball but I know what would likely occur if we lost either of the events, and that tourism to the state would be drastically reduced which is extremely bad news. 



Disagree, relatively the returns are massive.
All those young girls watching on tv and then playing with their local club, buying uniforms, runners, playing finals, buying trophys, having pie/pizza fundraising nights etc.
At a senior level I'd imagine the finals might be in Victoria...? leading to a need for accommodation, transport and food for teams, officials and fans who will travel to watch their team hopefully win the big one.
Then theres these active healthy kids and women NOT sitting on the couch, NOT being obese, NOT developing diabetes etc, etc...
What are we talking...? $10 Million or something ?
I wouldn't mind the cash and you probably wouldn't say no either, but in the public sphere, seriously, what do you get for $10 mil ?
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #125 –
15 mill is a cheap spend to grab some more votes imho, agree with NT that funding sport of any kind brings health benefits which is very good but I think Dans motives in this case are more skewed towards netballers 18 years and over plus their parents who might like the idea of their favorite sport being supported/saved/funded and cast their votes in the State Election accordingly.
You might call it Netball barrelling given Netball is the largest team sport played in Australia....

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #126 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
15 mill is a cheap spend to grab some more votes imho, agree with NT that funding sport of any kind brings health benefits which is very good but I think Dans motives in this case are more skewed towards netballers 18 years and over plus their parents who might like the idea of their favorite sport being supported/saved/funded and cast their votes in the State Election accordingly.
You might call it Netball barrelling given Netball is the largest team sport played in Australia....

"Netball barrelling" is sadly just a given EB, doesn't matter who's sitting in the big chair
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #127 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
"Netball barrelling" is sadly just a given EB, doesn't matter who's sitting in the big chair
Dont disagree NT, Im sure if the other Guy was Premier and wanting to shore up a few votes he would have done similar.
Id love to believe the sponsorship would be done for the right reasons ie healthier outcomes/enjoyment aspect for netballers but the cynic in me just sees political advantage with public money as the main motivation.
Andrews, Guy and Gina dont enthuse me as a charitable caring bunch no matter who is providing the money.....as Bon Scott wrote in the song " Dog eat Dog....
Hear the kind man ask his friends
Hey, what's in it for me

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #128 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
Disagree, relatively the returns are massive.
All those young girls watching on tv and then playing with their local club, buying uniforms, runners, playing finals, buying trophys, having pie/pizza fundraising nights etc.
At a senior level I'd imagine the finals might be in Victoria...? leading to a need for accommodation, transport and food for teams, officials and fans who will travel to watch their team hopefully win the big one.
Then theres these active healthy kids and women NOT sitting on the couch, NOT being obese, NOT developing diabetes etc, etc...
What are we talking...? $10 Million or something ?
I wouldn't mind the cash and you probably wouldn't say no either, but in the public sphere, seriously, what do you get for $10 mil ?

I think you are missing what I am saying.

The Grand Prix is a massive money spinner for the state as is an Aussie Open.

Netball can generate as much expenditure as you can drum up, but it isnt going to bring 320 000 tourists to the state let alone the country. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #129 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Netball can generate as much expenditure as you can drum up, but it isnt going to bring 320 000 tourists to the state let alone the country.
Probably true, but you might be surprised by the global level of participation.

For example, I do not know much about netball, but I do know from an associate that in Christchurch NZ on one occasion the Golden Oldies Rugby Tournament (> 40s), brought 150K people into the town for just a one week event.

I suspect on a global scale Netball is bigger than Golden Oldies Rugby.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #130 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
I think you are missing what I am saying.

The Grand Prix is a massive money spinner for the state as is an Aussie Open.

Netball can generate as much expenditure as you can drum up, but it isnt going to bring 320 000 tourists to the state let alone the country. 

I'm not missing that, but sheer numbers of tourists isn't the be all and end all, unless the bottom line is your only measuring stick...
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #131 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
I'm not missing that, but sheer numbers of tourists isn't the be all and end all, unless the bottom line is your only measuring stick...

Its not my only measuring stick, its just one more.

You said relatively the returns are massive in your previous post, and there isnt a snowflakes chance in hell that the international audience pays attention to Melbourne for Netball like it does for the F1 or the Aus Open.

Anyway, I called out someone else for a similar assertion, posted some evidence saying actually, even data from 10 years ago shows its more lucractive, and am arguing the same point.  You can agree to disagree with me and move on if you wish.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #132 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its not my only measuring stick, its just one more.

You said relatively the returns are massive in your previous post, and there isnt a snowflakes chance in hell that the international audience pays attention to Melbourne for Netball like it does for the F1 or the Aus Open.

Anyway, I called out someone else for a similar assertion, posted some evidence saying actually, even data from 10 years ago shows its more lucractive, and am arguing the same point.  You can agree to disagree with me and move on if you wish.

The point is that Victoria will get a return on the $3M per year that it has invested in Netball Australia over the next five years.  The deal involves at least one international Test match played in Melbourne each year, the Diamonds holding their high performance training camps in Victoria and the 2023 Super Netball Grand Final will be in Victoria.  The netball audience is a very different demographic to that attracted to other major events, and that is a very important marketing tool.

Will the netball investment have the same return as the hundreds of millions invested in Formula 1 since 1996?  Of course not.  Is it a worthwhile investment? Absolutely!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #133 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Its not my only measuring stick, its just one more.

You said relatively the returns are massive in your previous post, and there isnt a snowflakes chance in hell that the international audience pays attention to Melbourne for Netball like it does for the F1 or the Aus Open.

Anyway, I called out someone else for a similar assertion, posted some evidence saying actually, even data from 10 years ago shows its more lucractive, and am arguing the same point.  You can agree to disagree with me and move on if you wish.

I’ve never made any assertion about tennis or petrolheads, that’s a discussion you can have with yourself or others who may be interested.
My point is in the bang for buck at grassroots level, mums, dads and kids primarily is a big payback for the (relatively) piissy amount of $15m.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: Sport, sponsors, activism and politics

Reply #134 –
I call total Bulldust on the value of the GP to Victoria and everyday Victorians.  No single politician or department has ever put out a realistic, rigorously determined figure that can be backed up with real data.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?