Carlton Supporters Club

Bill Gates has been in the public eye for close to 50 years, and in that time would be lucky to have received 1% of the vitriol and hate that Markle has received in 2022., despite Gates being guilty of a string of personal and professional misdemeanours, and Markle being guilty of precisely nothing, other than the very sophisticated grievance that she is a (gulp)........opportunist, or even worse, (double gulp)...................... a hypocrite. Wow. Talk about protected species.

Sorry LP, but Bill isn't a WASP, even if you include Northern Europeans within the artificial Anglo-Saxon construct.  Bill's Scottish ancestors would be spinning in their graves at being lumped in with Sassenachs!  Although he attended a Congregational church as a child, Bill, Melinda and their children regularly attend/ed a Catholic church.  He is white, but not really from a US political elite family so the WASP label doesn't apply. 

Apart from when it clashes with his interests and objectives, Bill is as woke as you can get and is criticised by groups like Parents Defending Education and the Murdoch media for bankrolling the woke education agenda.

If nothing else, a Markle / Gates comparison provides an elegant snapshot into how power and privilege operate in contemporary society, if only in relative terms - who has it and who doesn't, who is able to obtain it and who isn't, what benefits it provides etc. One can quibble about whether or not Gates is "genuine" establishment, but the advantages afforded to him by his power and privilege completely dwarf Markle's.

I get it @Baggers , I also get that she is a professional actress.

None of what I have seen or read explains the apparent contradictions in words versus actions.

As for the charitable stuff that wins over the public, I suspect that is what it is designed to do with little on no attached altruism, if and it is a big if, if there is some altruism it's potentially just a side effect. Win, win!

Right. So according to this, the reason for him not to say it is not because it is vile, offensive, misogynistic and overall just plain wrong. Oh no. The reason for him not to say it is because there are certain demographics who have no sense of humour, or at least not the requisite sense of humour. And who might those demographics be ? Well let's see : there's 6000 complainants, there's women (50% of the human species), many young people, libtards and members of the wokerati, progressives, minority groups of various stripes. By the time you go through the list, there's really only one demographic who thinks this is funny.

If nothing else, a Markle / Gates comparison provides an elegant snapshot into how power and privilege operate in contemporary society, if only in relative terms - who has it and who doesn't, who is able to obtain it and who isn't, what benefits it provides etc. One can quibble about whether or not Gates is "genuine" establishment, but the advantages afforded to him by his power and privilege completely dwarf Markle's.

That type of statement highlights what i am referring too.

Question - Do you have a favourite comedian?

True, but Meghan, by virtue of her age, smarts, physical attributes, choice of partner, good works and developing media clout, has far greater potential to influence younger folk and women.  It’s that potential that has galvanised opposition to her among those who feel threatened; the Royals, elements of the media, the establishments, and people of influence; generally older, white men.

If Harry was going solo with this, I suspect that there would far less opposition and very little of the snide and offensive commentary.

No. There are people who find dogs mauling each other to death funny. Hate speech is precisely that. Dressing it up as an over the top, in joke, pop culture reference does not make it funny, does not make it clever, and does not make it acceptable. Rather than wasting your time, let me make it perfectly clear - there's nothing you can say that will convince me otherwise. Some things simply are not on.

Sorry to harp on about this but do folks have a breakdown on the demographics.
I generally think older white males don't get too worried about Meg and Harry.

They've got the young vote, no doubt... but my perception, reading some of the comments on social media and the news article comments, that most of the scathing criticism comes from middle aged to older females.

That type of statement highlights what i am referring too.

Question - Do you have a favourite comedian?

My favourite comedian was Bill Cosby … but he turned to be an entitled, sick, rapist bastard 🙄

One recent poll in the UK found that 41 percent of those aged 55-64 viewed Meghan “very unfavourably”, while 52 percent of those aged 25-34 approved of her.  Conservatives voters don't like her but Labour voters do.

Another UK poll conducted after the Oprah interview found that 48% of those aged between 18 and 24 feel more sympathy for Harry and Meghan, while 15% are more sympathetic to the senior royals.  Britons aged 25 to 49 are split 28% to 24% between the Sussexes and the Queen.  Folk over 50 have more sympathy for the Queen by 46% to 13%, and 55% of those aged over 65 feel more sympathy for the Queen.  Those figures should change with Chuck substituted for Lilibet.

A 2020 International Women’s Day survey named Meghan as the most influential woman in the UK. The survey of 5,000 people had Meghan ahead of Greta Thunberg, Rihanna, human rights advocate Malala Yousafzai, and feminist campaigner Jameela Jamil.

A 2021 UK survey found that 55% of 18-24 year olds like Meghan, while 32% dislike her. Harry had similar results with 59% of Britons aged 18 to 24 having a positive opinion of him, with 28% disliking him. In contrast, 69% of people aged 65 and older dislike Harry and 83% dislike Meghan. 

I can't find any poll results by gender but the folk who are critical of Meghan are generally older white males.  Of course, that could simply reflect the over-representation of older white males in the English speaking media.

It's the gender one I'm interested in.
It's true Public figures like Clarkson and Piers Morgan are out spoken.
I still don't believe most older guys give it a lot of thought.

Women of influence will probably come out in support because they have battled male dominated professions and beaten it.

But how does Meghan play amongst the average older female.

My sister reckons Harry's a traitor and should be sent to the Tower (No, she doesn't want him beheaded    )