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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #135
The lack of pressure from Fisher and Martin was very disappointing. Fish really needs to lift his game.

After q1 I wondered where's Fish?
Martin shows intermittent brilliance. I'm not sure this accounts for his lack of consistency and chronic injury woes.

Dow evidently had a blinder playing more forward. He kicked 4. 2's I know but maybe there's a strategy there 🤔
Carroll also reported to have played well.
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Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
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Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #136
After q1 I wondered where's Fish?
Martin shows intermittent brilliance. I'm not sure this accounts for his lack of consistency and chronic injury woes.

Dow evidently had a blinder playing more forward. He kicked 4. 2's I know but maybe there's a strategy there 🤔
Carroll also reported to have played well.
Players from the 2s who dominate must displace players who performed poorly in the 1s. The only way to have true accountability is through consequences.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #137
Players from the 2s who dominate must displace players who performed poorly in the 1s. The only way to have true accountability is through consequences.

Absolutely.

It's a hangover from the 'bad old days.' Vossy (and even TT) said that players have to earn their places, regardless of reputation. There's a little too much nice, still, and not enough ruthless.

Last year, owing to so many injuries, non-hackers with something of a reputation, escaped being dropped.

No more. Fisher, Martin and Owies, in particular, have been given more than enough opportunities. A message has to be sent and accountability enforced, that's what the very best do. Not to mention that blokes in consistent vg form in the Magoos deserve a go.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #138
Absolutely.

It's a hangover from the 'bad old days.' Vossy (and even TT) said that players have to earn their places, regardless of reputation. There's a little too much nice, still, and not enough ruthless.

Last year, owing to so many injuries, non-hackers with something of a reputation, escaped being dropped.

No more. Fisher, Martin and Owies, in particular, have been given more than enough opportunities. A message has to be sent and accountability enforced, that's what the very best do. Not to mention that blokes in consistent vg form in the Magoos deserve a go.

I still have my fingers and toes crossed for Cunners although he looks all but gone there is a slim chance for him to still make it.
Lachie Fogarty is more of your Jack Graham type and would prefer him than Owies.
Fisher - time to play your role mate.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #139
I still have my fingers and toes crossed for Cunners although he looks all but gone there is a slim chance for him to still make it.
Lachie Fogarty is more of your Jack Graham type and would prefer him than Owies.
Fisher - time to play your role mate.
Fog started at Carlton like a house on fire then disappeared seemingly for good.
Its sad that we have players like Cunners, Martin and even Marchy who could be absolutely anything but are seemingly always injured. Unfortunately patience will run out.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #140
I still have my fingers and toes crossed for Cunners although he looks all but gone there is a slim chance for him to still make it.
Lachie Fogarty is more of your Jack Graham type and would prefer him than Owies.
Fisher - time to play your role mate.
Fogarty tackles well and while his kicking can be ropey at times I think he has been over looked a lot and deserves a shot.
He can get the hard ball and can bob up for a goal while playing several positions and I think much like Kennedy who looked gone at one stage if we gave him a decent run we might have ourselves a handy player.
You look at Owies, Fisher, Martin and they havent progressed as players or helped the team progress, jury out on Durdin and Motlop who havent played enough games to judge but I think we need to play the likes of Fogarty, Honey, Carroll, Dow to see what they have got and it might have the secondary effect of making the likes of Owies, Fisher and Martin see that they are not automatic selections and they need to lift their performance.
I dont see Cuningham being a regular player even if he makes it back as he is just too fragile especially with the pace the modern game is being played at and how quickly teams can rack up injuries like we saw last night.
 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #141
Did the smart thing and left Melbourne straight after the game.
Once again we weren't able to close out the game but at least we got 2 points out of the game which is two more than we got last year in those last two games.
We need to hang on to the ball but to do this you need to be able to hit your targets, handle the ball cleanly and make good decisions. None of these things are Carlton's strengths. Our players dropped makable marks in the first and last minute of the game and a number of times throughout the game. We continually miss targets and our decision making under pressure is appalling. Our players seem to have a low football IQ. While a lot of people are blaming O'Brien, the only option being presented to him was McKay surrounded by Richmond players. Where was the team mate behind him calling for the ball. If someone was there and he turned around and kicked the ball that player, the game was over. In the end his options were kick it to McKay, hold the ball and get caught or kick the ball out  deliberately. All these options would give Richmond a chance. The best option would probably be kick  the ball out thirty rows back.
I thought we deserved to win but when Richmond was good they were better than us when we were being good. Richmond forwards looked more likely to kick goals than our forwards except for Charlie but he looked unlikely to get the ball. Their defence did better than I expected but if Harry had kicked straight this might have been different. I thought it was good that we were able to kick a couple of goals when they were all over us in the third quarter and once again if Harry had kicked straight the game outcome would probably have been different. Our defence was pretty good despite the bone head errors.  What was of concern was our inability to transition from defence to attack. The midfields were a battle of attrition.
Happy with Hollands and Cowan, disappointed in Acres, McGovern and Martin. Senior players need to do better. Newman gave Dusty a bath.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #142
Did the smart thing and left Melbourne straight after the game.
Once again we weren't able to close out the game but at least we got 2 points out of the game which is two more than we got last year in those last two games.
We need to hang on to the ball but to do this you need to be able to hit your targets, handle the ball cleanly and make good decisions. None of these things are Carlton's strengths. Our players dropped makable marks in the first and last minute of the game and a number of times throughout the game. We continually miss targets and our decision making under pressure is appalling. Our players seem to have a low football IQ. While a lot of people are blaming O'Brien, the only option being presented to him was McKay surrounded by Richmond players. Where was the team mate behind him calling for the ball. If someone was there and he turned around and kicked the ball that player, the game was over. In the end his options were kick it to McKay, hold the ball and get caught or kick the ball out  deliberately. All these options would give Richmond a chance. The best option would probably be kick  the ball out thirty rows back.
I thought we deserved to win but when Richmond was good they were better than us when we were being good. Richmond forwards looked more likely to kick goals than our forwards except for Charlie but he looked unlikely to get the ball. Their defence did better than I expected but if Harry had kicked straight this might have been different. I thought it was good that we were able to kick a couple of goals when they were all over us in the third quarter and once again if Harry had kicked straight the game outcome would probably have been different. Our defence was pretty good despite the bone head errors.  What was of concern was our inability to transition from defence to attack. The midfields were a battle of attrition.
Happy with Hollands and Cowan, disappointed in Acres, McGovern and Martin. Senior players need to do better. Newman gave Dusty a bath.
I can see what Motlop was trying to do but at that point, the better option would have been to stop and waste time. We could have did the old kick to kick and ice the clock while setting up numbers behind the ball. Once LOB received the handball, he had no choice but to run. As for the kick, plenty have potted him for it but it was bang on. H slipped other wise he would have chest marked it.
2017-16th
2018-Wooden Spoon
2019-16th
2020-dare to dream? 11th is better than last I suppose
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time

 

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #143
I'm not sure what to take away from the game. Whilst it's too early to hit the panic button, I was a little concerned that we lost the territory battle, and more concerned about being beaten around the ball.
@PaulP
Yes, Walsh excluded we were full strength, injury free with a midfield pocketing a full pre-season.

Or perhaps our injury reports aren't au fait!
The Force Awakens!



Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #146
Yep, and it's impacting the skills, so for me the AFL and MCG Trust have nowhere to hide!

Docherty seems like a fairly thoughtful, taciturn chap, not an attention seeking big mouth. Hopefully the AFL will pay attention when someone like him gives an opinion.

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #147
Hopefully the AFL will pay attention when someone like him gives an opinion.
I think the answer hides in how much someone like Ed Sheeran will make the venue and is worth in marketing, versus what is an AFL player worth?
The Force Awakens!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #148
Robbo thoughts

Stephen Silvagni’s principles

Everyone always wants a nice red bow tied around everything, but not this time Blues. The Carlton great was chastised for not being in a photograph with his son Jack and the family in the rooms, and instead chose to sit in his car. Well played, SOS. The irony of the Blues inviting SOS to celebrate with Jack and his brothers, when SOS was, in part, ingloriously punted by the club because his sons were on the list, can’t be ignored. Please, it was to be in a photo and we’re sure SOS would have thousands of photos of the family, and probably took a couple on the night anyhow. Clubs can’t throw people out with the trash and then expect them to come waltzing back in when they are invited to sit at the dining table. As someone famous said, if you don’t have principles, what have you got?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 1 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Richmond

Reply #149
As someone famous said, if you don’t have principles, what have you got?

Petulance...maybe?
SOS's chief antagonist is long gone.