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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #120 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
Ill be the first to admit that I have been critical of Newman at times. I cannot fault his first three games this year and he has been one of the pillars of our defence this year (which at times has been under siege). On Sat, he obliterated one of the comps match winners, hats off to you Newmy.

We should also acknowledge the work he’s done with young Cowan.  Having an established, senior player to help you learn the ropes, on and off the field, must be invaluable.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #121 –
Quote from: DJC – on
We should also acknowledge the work he’s done with young Cowan.  Having an established, senior player to help you learn the ropes, on and off the field, must be invaluable.

I can now see why Newmy has coaching aspirations and is an assistant with our womens team. His footy IQ is up there with the highest of our players. I now see blokes like Newmy and Doc and think on field, we are in good hands. Newmy didn't play on those agonising losses at the end of last year, that's a tell.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #122 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Yep, Blacres can easily plead 'accidental' (downgraded from careless). Plus he was heading into the contest to tackle or spoil, with eyes on that contest ahead. Logue, not so much.

He was nursing a crook shoulder all game and the AFL think he went in looking to throw his shoulder around ?
Good grief…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #123 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
He was nursing a crook shoulder all game and the AFL think he went in looking to throw his shoulder around ?
Good grief…
Fair point NB
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #124 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I can now see why Newmy has coaching aspirations and is an assistant with our womens team. His footy IQ is up there with the highest of our players. I now see blokes like Newmy and Doc and think on field, we are in good hands. Newmy didn't play on those agonising losses at the end of last year, that's a tell.

The injury curse silver lining. A couple of bona fide player coaches. Or is it coaching players 🤔
Superb asset for the backline.
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #125 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
He was nursing a crook shoulder all game and the AFL think he went in looking to throw his shoulder around ?
Good grief…

I get that the AFL has a duty of care to minimise the chances of concussions but suspending players willy-nilly isn’t the answer.  Acres collided with Daniels in a contest for the footy, a bit like the Cripps incident and the Plowman incident before that.  All are very different to Logue’s shirtfront or Picket launching himself at Bailey Smith’s head.

The AFL/MRO/Tribunal is more concerned with being seen to prevent concussions than it is with distinguishing between deliberate and intentional high contact.  I’d prefer to see every head-high contact reviewed by an expert panel charged with determining whether the contact was part of the game/accidental/unavoidable, careless, or intentional.  The MRO is not qualified to determine that, and neither is the Tribunal.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #126 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
There was a recent twitter exchange about the 2 that was pretty funny.

Trump supporter: Trump wouldn't tough you (Stormy Daniels) with a 10 foot pole!
Stormy Daniels: True. He used a 3 inch one.

Get that man some Aloe Vera!

Haha! Nice!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #127 –
Quote from: tonyo – on


Looks like Coniglio's protests went on long after the free kick was paid, which makes me wonder if (a) he'd be doing it all day and the umps had eventually had enough) or (b) his outburst at the umps was a bit more colourful than indicated.


The HUN is now reporting that the AFL have stated that 'Stephen Coniglio's constant complaints lead to dissent free kick'.   Serial offender who put the straw on the camel's back at a very poor time for his team.
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #128 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
The HUN is now reporting that the AFL have stated that 'Stephen Coniglio's constant complaints lead to dissent free kick'.   Serial offender who put the straw on the camel's back at a very poor time for his team.


Making it up as they go along.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #129 –
It's a terrible decision. Imagine if we lose a GF because Cripps questions an unpaid free. The AFL needs to find another way of dealing with this. It's not an infringement where players are deliberately doing illegal things to alter the state of play in their favour. There's no cheating,  jumper holding, deliberate OOB etc. You can't have this tiggy touchwood nonsense affecting a result. Hand out heavy fines, suspend the player for the following match etc. But don't change the outcome because some player says boo.

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #130 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's a terrible decision. Imagine if we lose a GF because Cripps questions an unpaid free. The AFL needs to find another way of dealing with this. It's not an infringement where players are deliberately doing illegal things to alter the state of play in their favour. There's no cheating,  jumper holding, deliberate OOB etc. You can't have this tiggy touchwood nonsense affecting a result. Hand out heavy fines, suspend the player for the following match etc. But don't change the outcome because some player says boo.

I strongly suspect, Pauly, that it's not so much the questioning it's the manner of the questioning. Pretty confident that had Coniglio (or any player really) asked the ump 'why' quietly and calmy (respect) rather than remonstrate, he'd have been fine. Remonstrating comes across as a public challenge to the umps decision which implies all manner of disrespect. Whitfield asked the question with respect. Coniglio did not.

All players know the risks of moaning, whining and remonstrating to the umps about their decisions. Them thar the rules, like it or not. Leadership would require from Coniglio that he understand and respect this rule of the game, indeed, all players should and most do. I'm pretty sure after this episode that players will really 'get' buttoning it when disagreeing with an umps adjudication.

And you have to ask yourself what useful purpose does it serve to give the ump a belligerent questioning. None. The message/rule is clear... respect the ump and his/her decision, regardless of your opinion of the adjudication or non-adjudication.
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Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #131 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
It's a terrible decision. Imagine if we lose a GF because Cripps questions an unpaid free. The AFL needs to find another way of dealing with this. It's not an infringement where players are deliberately doing illegal things to alter the state of play in their favour. There's no cheating,  jumper holding, deliberate OOB etc. You can't have this tiggy touchwood nonsense affecting a result. Hand out heavy fines, suspend the player for the following match etc. But don't change the outcome because some player says boo.

Dissent is cheating by intimidating the umpire.  If Cripps gave away a 50 or free I’d be p1ssed off with him, not the umpire or the rule.

Players know the rules.  Coniglio is a serial offender and was demonstrative in his dissent earlier in the game.  Perhaps he will keep his trap shut now.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #132 –
Where’s the outrage at the failure to pay Harry a free for forceful front on contact in a marking contest in the first quarter?

Swings and roundabouts!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #133 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Where’s the outrage at the failure to pay Harry a free for forceful front on contact in the first quarter?

Swings and roundabouts!



On that point, Harry in particular needs to enforce the ball drop zone, it’s his space and like in your example he allows opponents to get in his way…
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 3 2023 Post Game Prognostications Giants vs Carlton

Reply #134 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
On that point, Harry in particular needs to enforce the ball drop zone, it’s his space and like in your example he allows opponents to get in his way…

In that instance Harry was leading his opponent to the ball when Flynn(?) shirtfronted him.  Nothing Harry could do.

It was a brave/foolish man who got in Fev’s way.  Harry needs to inspire similar respect.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!