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Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #75 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Dang. A good defender who can also play as a good mid. Not easy to find a like for like replacement.

Cerra and Hewett played in defence to allow Docherty midfield time against GWS and North. Hewett was OK but Cerra was very good.  With Walsh, Kennedy and probably Acres coming back, losing Docherty is perhaps not as critical as it normally would be.  I’d prefer him to be out there though.

Will the selectors bring in a defender or make do with midfielders that can play back?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #76 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Surely we have moved past plowman. Only time I would maybe consider him is If we lost Newman as we have no small defender option but he is no replacement for the role doc plays.

Is too shaky with one on ones and makes too many costly mistakes under pressure and doesn’t have the leg speed the running defender position requires.

Acres imo is a much better option for docs role.

Watching Plowman in the magoos made me think that the way he was playing was very like Docherty’s role.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #77 –
There must be some unwritten rule that to leave the rehab group you have to find somebody to take your place.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #78 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Surely we have moved past plowman. Only time I would maybe consider him is If we lost Newman as we have no small defender option but he is no replacement for the role doc plays.

Is too shaky with one on ones and makes too many costly mistakes under pressure and doesn’t have the leg speed the running defender position requires.


I think Plowman has suffered because of the roles he has been required to play for team balance.  He is too easily out-bodied against taller forwards which has led to too many holding the man penalties.  He has also been required to play defensive clean up to allow other defenders to play more attacking roles.

Is much better suited to a HB role, which might be an option is Guv stays fit. 

Is a better player than he is given credit for.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #79 –
Gov as running half back to replace Doc
Kemp to replace Gov.
No to Plow.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #80 –
I was initially thinking that Newman should be given the job on Izzy Rankine, given his excellent performance on Toby Greene. But I'm wondering if Rankine may be too slippery for him, and maybe Saad should play on him instead ?

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #81 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I was initially thinking that Newman should be given the job on Izzy Rankine, given his excellent performance on Toby Greene. But I'm wondering if Rankine may be too slippery for him, and maybe Saad should play on him instead ?

You want Saad to be able to play with his usual anticipation and dash.  Can he do that if he’s trying to stick with a slippery customer?

Maybe Cerra on Rankine?

I guess that’s why Vossy and co are paid well to come up with the tactics and matchups 🙂
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #82 –
Quote from: blueday – on
Cincotta I suspect... where is Boyd at?
Still injured i think. Or at best, returning to full training/VFL.

Either way, not (match) fit enough.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #83 –
No to Saad on Rankine.
We need someone to stifle him.
If Saad plays that role we lose his drive.
Give Newman first crack.
Cowan???

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #84 –
Quote from: DJC – on
You want Saad to be able to play with his usual anticipation and dash.  Can he do that if he’s trying to stick with a slippery customer?

Maybe Cerra on Rankine?

I guess that’s why Vossy and co are paid well to come up with the tactics and matchups 🙂

I was just thinking this may be one of those situations where Saad may have to sacrifice part of his game for the benefit of the team, as many players do in the course of the season. Rankine is in super form at the moment. Maybe Newman will do a great job, and it won't come to that.

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #85 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I was just thinking this may be one of those situations where Saad may have to sacrifice part of his game for the benefit of the team, as many players do in the course of the season. Rankine is in super form at the moment. Maybe Newman will do a great job, and it won't come to that.

I’m sure Saad would happily sacrifice his running game if asked but I suspect that the team would suffer.

Newman is probably our best lockdown defender but is he quick enough to go with Rankine?  Probably yes, if he gets good support from our mids and fellow defenders.  I do think that Cerra would be good too.

Cincotta could be an option but I don’t think we’ll bring in anyone other than Walsh, Kennedy and Acres.  Cincotta could be the sub 🤔
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #86 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
I think Plowman has suffered because of the roles he has been required to play for team balance.  He is too easily out-bodied against taller forwards which has led to too many holding the man penalties.  He has also been required to play defensive clean up to allow other defenders to play more attacking roles.

Is much better suited to a HB role, which might be an option is Guv stays fit. 

Is a better player than he is given credit for.

Fair comments but they are speculative at best.

Plowman is old Carlton, the same Carlton that was a laughing stock for too long - he cracks under pressure and because he is so used to losing like many of his team mates its ingrained in him - have to move past him and stop going to the well when we already know what we are getting and its simply not good enough if we are really competing for a top 8 position this year.

Feel the same about Dow, Martin, Marchbank, Cunningham and probably LOB and Williams - All these players fit into 2 groups. Can play but their body lets them down time and time again or just havent come on.

Most will be gone at years end IMO and i prefer to invest in blokes like Cincotta, Kemp and Boyd when he comes back. Guys were willing to put a line through Boyd after 5 games yet want to give a player like Plowman another chance.

No for me and reckon Voss thinks the same.

 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #87 –
Totally speculative and 'out of left field' thinking but....
how about Corey Durdin as the Rankine match-up.
 

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #88 –
Woods says it's fair the impact be graded medium.

 "When you take momentum and positioning that I've gone through, the momentum and positioning, meant there was real potential to cause a serious injury to Sheezel," Woods said.

 He suggests there's a risk of a neck injury or concussion.

"It could easily have been, accidentally, slightly higher and Sheezel could have sustained a concussion. Thankfully that didn't happen. They're clear and present risks.

"It's appropriate, given what guidelines, that it should be medium, due to the nature and extent the action risked."

The above is from AFL website from the AFL council in the McKay case. Think it will stand by the sounds of it.



What a joke the AFL are at times like this. So now in this situation they are grading a collision on 'potential to cause damage' That is completely at odds with previous rulings.

They just cop and change things as it suits them

Re: AFL Rd 5 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Adelaide in Adelaide

Reply #89 –
Take off the navy glasses and look at the incident.

A 200cm+ 100kg+ player hit a player in the head with 2 forearms after running at him.
There was no ducking from the player, he should not have been expecting that type of contact and was unprotected at the time.

1 week every day of the week.

No i don't like it, i'd prefer Harry be out there this week, but i definitely understand it and think it is just.