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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #60 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Five good games in a row now for Stocker. Very reliable cog in the Saints defence.
Setters was grossly mis managed.

The club is under valuing our players and giving them away for nothing.
Stocker played on Jamie Elliott who is a very decent player as we all know and had the better of him.
Elliott had the one goal and 11 possies to Stockers 17 possies ....Elliott was restricted after Stocker tackled and slammed him into the turf.

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Reply #61 –
Quote from: Lods – on
We'll go into this game with no illusions.
It will be tough.
That works to our advantage because there will be no complacency.

Stkilda came home well after looking like they were going to be buried, I never like playing teams who finish well in last quarters as in my experience they tend to take that form into next week.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #62 –
Stock looks better at saints because of there system,he has 10 teammates that comeback and defend . Who cares . We need to beat saints and it starts with not letting wilke taking intercept marks so Harry stop F....k slipping over and use that body

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #63 –
We are going into this match as favourites at $1.70 Saints at $2.16.

Go Figure.

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Reply #64 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Stocker played on Jamie Elliott who is a very decent player as we all know and had the better of him.
Elliott had the one goal and 11 possies to Stockers 17 possies ....Elliott was restricted after Stocker tackled and slammed him into the turf.
All true and yet he cost them the game. Why he chose to go all in on a marking duel with Ginnivan, I don’t know. Sure, the kick to him was poor but surely he realised he couldn’t allow Ginnivan to trail the ball forward when Jamie Elliott was free in F50. He needed to focus on bringing the ball to ground to his or St Kilda’s advantage. That’s the job of a defender - keep the opposition from getting the ball even if you’re under the pump.

Once he allowed Ginnivan to run onto the loose ball, he had to tackle but instead he allowed him to step him. And Jamie Elliott then kicks the winning goal. It felt like the winning goal at the time and the dramatic finish confirmed that it was the decisive moment in the match.

I don’t see a defence-first coach like Lyon being impressed. And I reckon if Plowman made a similar error to kill a comeback for us, Carlton fans would be baying for his blood.

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Reply #65 –
Will Caminetti be suspended over an off-the-ball hit on Murphy? Probably doesn’t matter if Membrey is ready to return. Steele is expected back too but it wouldn’t be a total surprise if he didn’t.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #66 –
The kick was a shocker, no one could or would blame anyone for that. Even Plowman.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #67 –
So we have dropped to 4th, depending on results next week, we can go as low as 9th or as high as 2nd If we win. Very important game.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #68 –
Saints have good defence but I don't think that will bother us much. It's the high scoring sides that seem to give us trouble. Last year Ryder destroyed us and we were missing Weitering. Think we win by 3 goals in a low scoring affair.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #69 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The kick was a shocker, no one could or would blame anyone for that. Even Plowman.
He should have reacted as a defender and gone the fist rather than trying to win a marking contest. He was effectively making a last-ditch defensive stand notwithstanding he was on the wing. He had to know that his team was forked if he let the ball get past him.

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Reply #70 –
Quote from: Mav – on
All true and yet he cost them the game. Why he chose to go all in on a marking duel with Ginnivan, I don’t know. Sure, the kick to him was poor but surely he realised he couldn’t allow Ginnivan to trail the ball forward when Jamie Elliott was free in F50. He needed to focus on bringing the ball to ground to his or St Kilda’s advantage. That’s the job of a defender - keep the opposition from getting the ball even if you’re under the pump.

Once he allowed Ginnivan to run onto the loose ball, he had to tackle but instead he allowed him to step him. And Jamie Elliott then kicks the winning goal. It felt like the winning goal at the time and the dramatic finish confirmed that it was the decisive moment in the match.


I don’t see a defence-first coach like Lyon being impressed. And I reckon if Plowman made a similar error to kill a comeback for us, Carlton fans would be baying for his blood.
Let's go back and get it right...Wood got a free kick and kicked the ball across ground to Stocker.
The kick was too slow and Ginnivan ran in and knocked the ball away.
He had the run of the ball from the spoil and wrong footed Stocker then came back on his left and hit up Elliott who got lucky because Stocker had run off him to create the switch leaving the lazy Elliott alone and he got on the end of the play.
It was Woods mistake and very reminiscent of some of Plowman's poor kicks, he gave Stocker no chance imho.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #71 –
Quote from: pinot – on
We are going into this match as favourites at $1.70 Saints at $2.16.

Go Figure.

Of course. As we did against the Crows. Whoever comes up with this is deluded or diddling the books 😜
Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #72 –
As you noted, the kick was slow and that gave Stocker time to react. Come at the ball, put a fist into it: just do something. He certainly would have known the stakes as he’d left Elliott unchecked in F50.

I wonder if he decided to try to outmark Ginnivan because he wasn’t going to let that little toe rag beat him.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #73 –
Jack Steele back for this game.

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Reply #74 –
Quote from: Mav – on
As you noted, the kick was slow and that gave Stocker time to react. Come at the ball, put a fist into it: just do something. He certainly would have known the stakes as he’d left Elliott unchecked in F50.

I wonder if he decided to try to outmark Ginnivan because he wasn’t going to let that little toe rag beat him.
The ball was coming straight to him, most would try and take the mark...doubt I have seen any player in that position not attempt to take the mark. He probably hoped the ball would get to him first as he would have seen Ginnivan late as he was running in from the side. It was a poor kick and the Collingwood player had the drop on him....poor decision and kick from Wood was the problem and not Stockers attempt.