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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #225 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
Dow's poor foot skills were one of the reasons he failed to hold a spot in the firsts.  If they have not improved, what is the point of selecting him? 
We have had years of our backs being put under pressure because of turnovers further up the field caused by poor field kicking.

Then why not delist him in the off season and select someone who might just be able to provide us with another depth option?

Like we are rubbing his nose in it.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #226 –
Eight reason why we'll win this week:
1.  10 day break
2.  10 days to stew over crap performance and rectify it.
3.   McGovern in to add stability and precision kicking from the back half.
4.   Walsh, game under his belt and extended time to recover.
5.   Kennedy/ see Walsh (and  he won't be played out of position.)
6.   Pitto will be on the park the whole game and he and  TDK will wear Marshall down.
7.   It's at Marvel! Cue Harry and  Charlie.
8.  We aren't as bad as last week showed!
We will be relaxing by the 15 minute mark of the final quarter!!
Go Blues!

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #227 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Then why not delist him in the off season and select someone who might just be able to provide us with another depth option?

Like we are rubbing his nose in it.

You'll get no argument from me.  If he is not up to scratch then he is just clogging the list.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #228 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Then why not delist him in the off season and select someone who might just be able to provide us with another depth option?

Like we are rubbing his nose in it.

Dow was contracted and couldn’t just be delisted.  List management 101.

We shopped him around but no-one was interested.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #229 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Dow was contracted and couldn’t just be delisted.  List management 101.

We shopped him around but no-one was interested.

Word was tigers would have taken him.

Put list is finally at the stage of pushing for a finals spot and depth is vital not a single spot on the list should be taken unless it’s taken by a player the club feels will be used for the goal of making finals.

Dows form warrants promotion esp considering the injuries we have. He could easily have been swapped for fisher who had been average for too long but we just rinse and repeat.

It’s not the way the stronger clubs operate.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #231 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Word was tigers would have taken him.

Put list is finally at the stage of pushing for a finals spot and depth is vital not a single spot on the list should be taken unless it’s taken by a player the club feels will be used for the goal of making finals.

Dows form warrants promotion esp considering the injuries we have. He could easily have been swapped for fisher who had been average for too long but we just rinse and repeat.

It’s not the way the stronger clubs operate.
Agree with this, Fisher, Honey Plowman should be playing ones this week (Honey should never play again.
I was watching a podcast interview with Aleks Marcou. It went for an hour, very funny as usual but he talks about our side from 79-82. In the last 5 minutes, he talks about our small forwards and talks about how they simply aren't doing enough and that's what's holding us back. I agree with this. He talked about how all of them averaged 1.3 goals a game so between them, they kicked 6-8 week in out. Whilst he didn't name names, he was talking about Motlop, Durdin, Owies, Honey, Martin (we he plays) and Fisher. I feel like we dont seem dump players when they are in poor form, we shuffle deck chairs and invent positions for them that they are invariably even worse at. I am so looking forward to how this week plays out. If we lose and all the results go angst us, we will drop out of the 8 and I fear we won't get back in. That will be a huge disappointment.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #232 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on
Allowing sufficient time for the Saints to kick enough junk-time goals to beat us by a few points!
Too true, the Saints nearly rolled over the Pies at the end and its not like the Pies are a team that doesnt play out the game properly so we need to be well in front early in the last quarter.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #233 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Interchange from:
Matthew Kennedy (first game back from injury last week - but was very poor)
Zac Fisher (one decent game in five is a dropping)
Josh Honey (showed no VFL form to get a game)
Lochie O'Brien (seriously underwhelming in all the minutes he has played no reason to persist)
Brodie Kemp  (showing good form, select)
Tom De Koning (all over the shop)
Alex Cincotta  (showing good form, select)
Lachie Plowman (showing good form, sub at best)

My hope is that the interchange will be: Kennedy, Kemp, TDK & Cincotta with Kemp to replace Gov if he doesn't come up.
Reality is that the interchange will be: Kennedy, Fisher, Plowman and TDK with LOB as the sub. I strongly suspect that Lloyd is the one responsible for the conservative and safe selections on the MC. I still have concerns about this bloke as our head of football. I hope Vossy is a 'bold' voice pushing back against Lloyd.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #234 –
regarding small forwards, small Durdin is our best by a country mile.  Owies work rate is second.  Motlop is probably the one that comes in and out of games, but overall they are the best we have.

The rest arent really worth mentioning.  Martin has a high workrate, and is a good player but cant get on the park.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #235 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
regarding small forwards, small Durdin is our best by a country mile.  Owies work rate is second.  Motlop is probably the one that comes in and out of games, but overall they are the best we have.

The rest arent really worth mentioning.  Martin has a high workrate, and is a good player but cant get on the park.
Martin might have high work rate (personally I dont see it) but he has zero (or close to it) impact.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #236 –
Both Motlop and Durdin are averaging over a goal a game. Durdin has 5 goals from 4 games and Motlop has 6 goals from 5 games (although 1 of those was gifted when Coniglio was penalised for dissent). I guess we can’t ask much more from guys who are hardly in the running for AA selection. If only we had an elite small forward such as Kossie Pickett or Josh Rachele.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #237 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Both Motlop and Durdin are averaging over a goal a game. Durdin has 5 goals from 4 games and Motlop has 6 goals from 5 games (although 1 of those was gifted when Coniglio was penalised for dissent). I guess we can’t ask much more from guys who are hardly in the running for AA selection. If only we had an elite small forward such as Kossie Pickett or Josh Rachele.
It's not about goals its about what forward pressure they create, retaining the ball in the forward line and creating opportunities for others and that all comes under the heading of work rate and that's where questions are being asked of these players.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #238 –
Quote from: Mav – on
Both Motlop and Durdin are averaging over a goal a game. Durdin has 5 goals from 4 games and Motlop has 6 goals from 5 games (although 1 of those was gifted when Coniglio was penalised for dissent). I guess we can’t ask much more from guys who are hardly in the running for AA selection. If only we had an elite small forward such as Kossie Pickett or Josh Rachele.
Rachele may be elite eventually but he isn't there yet in my eyes.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs St. Kilda

Reply #239 –
He’s on track for 50 goals, so he’s not your average bear.