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Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #135 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I don't pay for anything. I think telstra customers get more stats but I'm with Optus and I see the map.

Quote from: madbluboy – on
Click on our game.

Then you will see
Summary Players Teams Tracker.

Click on Teams then scroll down to possessions.

Yep, you're absolutely right. Not sure how I missed that. Thanks for pointing it out.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #136 –
Personally, I thought yesterday  was SoJ's best game for 2023, when we rucked Young and stopped stuffing SoJ around with a hopeless task in the ruck he was more effective right across the ground. The only thing I'd say is that we should be trying to get SoJ into more of the lead up rotation with Charlie and BigH, that'll lighten the work load and they won't be taking so many shots at goal with tired legs.

Let BigH or SoJ ruck inside F50 and leave Pitto to stay D50 side of the contest, and divide up ruck duties with Young or TDK as required by selection policy and opposition each week. Try to get Cripps and Hewett spending a bit more time at F50 stoppages in fresh condition.

Sounds easy, but needs serious management to achieve.

Also, some might bag Kennedy for losing his feet, but I thought his midfield nous gave us a bit of calmness in and around the D50 traffic, he was able to find a bit of time and space and greatly reduced the hot potato syndrome we sometimes suffer. Given he hasn't really played too much D50, I thought it showed he wasn't completely out of place. These little moments just add a piece of the puzzle to how the coaches can manage workload on match days without having to shuffle the list at selection. Swapping Kennedy for Doc or Saad through the midfield is now an option.

Don't know if you have noticed, but all our set shot kicking has gone off a bit, we seem to be getting into the habit of leaning back on the kicks, it's a bad habit because it leaves more height to drop between hand and foot and you end up kicking the ball higher than is necessary. Also, Cripps, SoJ, Charlie and Big H all kick the pill much further than they think, I've no idea why they run so close to the man on the mark then put the ball 10 rows back in the stand!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #137 –
I believe that as a club we are too fixated on the list and not how we play, or "the system".  Man for man, I believe that our top say 6-10 players are the equal of any in the league and we have the key components to succeed (Cripps, Weitering, Harry Charlie is a damn good spine).  But our game plan or whatever you call it is like something out of the 1970s.  It's antiquated, obselete and doesn't win games in the 21st century.

And reflects a poor coaching and "brains trust".
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #138 –
I wouldn't be too worried about BigH and the other KPPs kicking, they will always have good and bad days, the media are going to beat up on them, but we need to stick fat, it's not the lack of opportunities for them, it's the lack of crumbing goals that are killing us at the moment.

Aints must have cleaned up 98% of the ground ball in our D50, the low rate of success crumbing is abominable, just unacceptable. You only need to get 2 or 3 crumbing goals a game to flip the equation, take the pressure off the KPFs and turn a deficit into a lead. When Owies went out we've lost both a deep defensive runner and 2 goals a game that we've failed to replace, Honey hasn't had an impact, not sure where we go from here, Motlop is basically a highlights type player not a 4-qtr workhorse. Small Durdin is horribly out of form. Some fans might defend small Durdin because he's averaging a goal and a bit, but other than that goal and a bit he's not having much impact. Sure he made some tackles, but his opponent was still able to dispose of the footy in most tackles, a tackle is basically a zero stat if you fail to trap the pill.

I think another thing missing in 2023 is goals from the midfield, last year we had Cripps, Hewett, Cerra and Kennedy all contributing at times, this year that has basically evaporated. Is it due to form or tactical changes, it's hard to tell, probably a bit of both?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #139 –
Our small forwards can't take a mark above to their head and just dont get enough of the ball at ground level.
We need a Weightman, Elliott, Ryan, Bolton  type who can be a proper target and not just a crumber...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #140 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It was poor all over the ground. Our poor efficiency has been masked by the 20 metre backward kicks.

Have a look on the AFL app at the possession heat map and that sums up the day.
Agree re poor all over the ground, but some of the kicks into the forward line was embarrassing. As I said, I couldnt watch much after the start of the 3rd.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #141 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
You mean like a Jack Martin lol.

Like a Jack Martin... except he plays games and performs consistently throughout.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #142 –
Just watched the 2nd half again. Yep, sucker for punishment!

Although it is somewhat feint praise, the endeavour was there... efficiency and proper passing by foot, was not. As others have noted, we tend to kick it on the head of our team mates and don't often enough kick it to their run and space - the backline does, but delivery to forwards needs much work. Some of the passes to JSOS & Charlie were just horrible.

We can forget JSOS and Fisher getting dropped, but LOB, Honey and small Durds need Magoo time. Honey was awful.

Cincotta was one of our better defenders, with good work by hand and foot but let himself down by being run-down... team mates not telling him he was hot? Young & Weiters are down on form. Gov was okay/good. Really missed the composure and smarts of Doc/Saady. Newman tried to be too cute by foot too often.

I think Fog would be an upgrade on small Durds at present. And Carroll an upgrade on Honey. LOB probably survives as the sub for another week.

Boyd and Cottrell should be available in the next few weeks.

If you get a chance check out the hold on JSOS at about the 1-2 minute mark of the 3rd... right in front of the umpire, JSOS jumper was being held - plainly. Though I guess that's counter-balanced by a few gifts we received in the first half.

I'm not as pessimistic as some. Yes, we've been average to below average most of the season thus far. The only way is up, and our first half against the Aints was really good and better conversion would have made all the difference... but there too often seems to be an 'if only.'

If we bring the first half intensity of the Aints game for the entire game, along with better conversion, we'll account for the Weagles quite comfortably.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #143 –
I watched the Geelong game and we could do well to study how they were feeding the ball into F50. Some of it was real precision stuff and I really noticed this especially from Dangerfield and Meiers.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #144 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
We are fit, we just dont go hard enough at the critical times and have too many players looking for the cheap easy kick.


Too many one-way players who either don't or can't apply pressure on opponents going the other way

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #145 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
There's no doubt we need other routes to goal. That needs to be built on a robust system. I recall a game in 22 where our wingers kicked 5 goals.


Play LOB in the 22 or the VFL - he is not useful as a sub

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #146 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I watched the Geelong game and we could do well to study how they were feeding the ball into F50. Some of it was real precision stuff and I really noticed this from Dangerfield and Meiers.

Cookie the difference is they have good ball users that are skilled enough to do it under pressure. Our guys have a crack but we cant consistently hit targets by foot when there is any sort of heat on.  We do it at training or during junk time but when the heat is on we are hit and miss which results in a fast turn over and opposition teams prey on it.

We have decent ball movers in defence (when plowman is out) but as it moves through the middle we lack finishers. This is why the loss of Doc and Saad is massive to forward connection.  And when 2 out of your 3 key targets are Jack and Harry even when we get it in they are hit and miss at best.  Geelong have finishers as forwards Cameron Hawkins Rohan etc are all very reliable shots and they make the most of their chances.

We are miles off that level.
 

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Like a Jack Martin... except he plays games and performs consistently throughout.
If Martin could be what Shai Bolton is half the time we would be premiers...

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #148 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Our defenders weren't that bad, except that we got hurt playing Kennedy in defence. He isn't a defender, not matter what else he might be.  Kennedy provides depth in the midfield and an option in attack, I agree that he is not a defender.

Our disposal into the forward line was appalling. The number of times we kicked directly to St. Kilda defenders ... I lost track of how many times it happened. The worst ones were when the kicks went to multiple Saints with no Blues in the vicinity.

Honey has to be dropped. I think he will be gone at the end of the season: he hasn't made any significant progress at all.  Fair comment.

O'Brien has to go back: he hasn't offered much as sub. He plays wing or he plays VFL, my preferred option.  Fully agree.

Pittonet was excellent today: he beat a guy that some people are claiming to be All-Australian. He gave our mids first use for the 1st half and then held his own thereafter. He was a big winner on the day. Also, Young was much more useful than Silvagni as a back-up – one of the few (if not the only) MC successes for the day.

Re: AFL Rd 6 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs St Kilda

Reply #149 –
Quote from: Macca37 – on

We have an unbalanced list with too many players lacking the disposal skills necessary to be a serious contender for the flag.



AND too many often-injured list cloggers reducing our ability to recruit alternatives.