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Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #75 –
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.

Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #76 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.

Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?


We have two very flexible players on the list Kennedy and Young.

I think it will come down to game day match ups in the most part and Vossy has that flexibility.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #77 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Kennedy had a massive impact as sub. If the game was in the balance it would have been match winning.

Perhaps the sub has to be a contested player?

Yes, having the ability to run hard doesn't necessarily mean that you'll have an impact.  Chugga is versatile, wins his own ball, reads the play well, is a very good mark and is an accurate kick for goal.  Is he the ideal sub?
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #78 –
Is there really just one ideal sub, isn't that concept a bit formulaic, and also potentially exposes a team to opposition analysis / tactics?

For me, the Sub should be selected on a horses for courses basis, the "Ideal Sub" is really code for "Lazy MC"!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #79 –
Was going to post the same about Kennedy being sub.  Horses for courses worked - the plan was to give Saad 3/4s.  If he had been injured during that time, we knew we had a player that would contribute strongly.

At 3qtr time, I was wondering how we could turn it into a tight game, or at least a 50 point margin.  9 goals put paid to that, which is Voss' ruthless streak being applied.

Sometimes it takes a win like that to get system and confidence going - hopefully it is a catalyst.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #80 –
Agree with Prof on WCE and any concessions the AFL might be thinking of for them. They won a flag 5 years ago and continually backed an aging and injury prone list to keep them in contention. They gave up 3 first round picks to get Tim Kelly which, in hindsight, was a disaster. He's been a good player for them but that's a lot to give up. They re-signed both Natanui and McGovern last year to 2 year deals when neither of them can get out on the park regularly. They would also be in the top 4 or 5 highest players at WCE. Add to that Shuey and Yeo who are always injured. Hurn at nearly 35 years of age is still in their best 10 players.

They've brought this on themselves and because they're owned by the WAFC, they're not answerable to anyone. Nisbett is the CEO of West Coast and if I'm not mistaken, also sits on the board of the WAFC.

Simpson has been there 10 years now too.

We've been mired in the bottom half of the table for a decade or more....yes, some terrible drafting and recruiting....but you don't reward incompetence. They need to rebuild through the draft and free agency like everyone else. Their problem is that none of their best players now would really have any trade value....Shuey, Natanui, Hurn, McGovern, Yeo, Darling...they need to get young blokes in and let them develop over the next 3-4 years by when all of the above players will be well and truly finished.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #81 –
Quote from: LP – on
Is there really just one ideal sub, isn't that concept a bit formulaic, and also potentially exposes a team to opposition analysis / tactics?

For me, the Sub should be selected on a horses for courses basis, the "Ideal Sub" is really code for "Lazy MC"!

Wrong.

The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required.

Of course, he would always be best 22, but there you go.

I don't think there is a perfect sub,  but there are certainly plenty of wrong subs imo.
Having a ruck as a sub is the worst thing you can do. You are better off paying 2 rucks than paying 1 and a sub.
Having a vanilla player like LOB who can't really influence a game is also a wrong choice.

If no injury concerns....use a mid and rotate who rests each week for the long season.
If a couple of people have injuries who are a bit iffy, have someone who can cover them.
Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #82 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Wrong.

The ideal sub is Kouta. Can dominate any position on the ground if required.
Technically, that would be the ideal waste!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #83 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Personally I like the Jack of all trades option and/or someone who can make an impact with minimal time. 2 examples
Kemp - can play tall or small or on a wing in a pinch
Martin - could kick 3 goals in 5 minutes ago based off half chances.
Not much interested in kids like Kemp rotting on the bench as Sub, they are either out there learning and earning in the AFL, or in the VFL learning, bench warming gets them nowhere!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #84 –
No big deal typical Carlton,let’s see how we go next 3 weeks .

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #85 –
When did Martin last kick three in a game...? 

No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #86 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
When did Martin last kick three in a game...? 

No free rides for this bloke- play well in the twos before getting in the 23.

3 games ago (that he played) - R22 vs Melbourne.

He actually kicked 3 goals in a row from the 3rd quarter into the 4th. We only kicked one more goal for the match after that.


He has talent, he performs in bursts. He is pure sub material.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #87 –
Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

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Reply #88 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
Sounds like a case of waiting for Godot

Take every player on our list.
Go through their last 3 games.
How many have kicked 3 goals in one of them?
Charlie, SOJ and Jack Martin - not even Harry (4 games back)

He kicked 4 on debut for us and blew the game apart against the Tigers. He's kicked 3 goals on another occassion for us as well.

Over his 136 game career. He has kicked 3 (or more) goals on 13 occassions.
Thats 3 or more goals every 10 games on average.....basically as a midfielder.

How many others can say the same?

Re: AFL Rd 7 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast

Reply #89 –
In terms of reliability - Martin is an overpaid list clogger.