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Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #90 –
In fact I’d like the club to identify the person and revoke their membership - probably isn’t a paid up member tho 🙄

That is not what we’re about!

You’re a disgrace to your family, he said! How fking dare he! Absolutely repugnant.

Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #91 –
Agree re the fan abuse. Everyone is angry and wants answers....but to hurl some pretty vile abuse like that is uncalled for. I was embarrassed when I saw that footage. Would be horrible to be at the game, sitting nearby with a young family and have to see and hear that.

I'm a big fan of JSOS and reckon he goes in and gives as much every week as anyone....but like a lot of players, he's outta form and for team balance, probably needs to make way this week to inject a bit of pace in the forward line if nothing else.

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Reply #92 –
Quote from: WASurfer – on
Agree re the fan abuse. Everyone is angry and wants answers....but to hurl some pretty vile abuse like that is uncalled for. I was embarrassed when I saw that footage. Would be horrible to be at the game, sitting nearby with a young family and have to see and hear that.

I'm a big fan of JSOS and reckon he goes in and gives as much every week as anyone....but like a lot of players, he's outta form and for team balance, probably needs to make way this week to inject a bit of pace in the forward line if nothing else.
Love Jack for his heart and soul approach, and because of the romance of the family tradition, and when he is playing well he gives us something but at the moment he isn't performing well enough to hold his place in the side.

Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #94 –
Quote from: blueianh – on
Voss has confirmed Cunningham is in.  https://www.carltonfc.com.au/news/1358826/afl-team-news-cuningham-returns
That's positive news for David and the Club
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 14 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #95 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
That's positive news for David and the Club
Martin,McGovern and DC wouldn't have played too many games together.
Let's hope DC can hold up physically, reserves footy is fine but senior footy is more demanding and relentless in the modern era so I hope the coaching staff look after him and gets a few rests on the bench.

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Reply #96 –
The MC picks the side that gives us the best chance of winning, which means maximising our strengths and minimising our weaknesses. Unfortunately for Jack Silvagni, he needs to be at or near top form to be an asset to the team. Any drop off in that space, and he struggles. Lack of pace, lack of athleticism, not a great 2nd ruck, struggling to hit the scoreboard. It's not hard to understand why he's out. In some ways, this is a tale of two Jacks. One as described herein, and the other struck down with constant injury, and seems to have attributes that we need, and that the other Jack does not.

It may suck, and it may seem unfair, but the MC has no choice IMO.

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Yep
For team balance it probably makes sense
...and maybe I'm over-reacting.
Players get abused every week...it's just the very personal and very 'public' nature of this one that's triggered me.
Yes, I get it, and I'd suggest we probably all want that fan banned.

On the flipside, it's also not unreasonable to think the focus on SoJ was possible worse because he might have been getting a game based on performances that were unsustainable for a lesser name. The name works both ways, as unfair as that may be!

I bet the fan still idolises SOS even after the way he treated SoJ on his 100th game, ...................... ironic isn't it? ::) Personally, if I happen to pass SOS in the street I won't even acknowledge his existence, I'm so disappointed, I wish Serge was alive to clip him around the ears. Before that moment I would have offered to pay for his coffee, perhaps bought him his lunch, etc., now he's invisible to me, hardly a Hayley Lewis moment!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #98 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The MC picks the side that gives us the best chance of winning
 

That's a nice theory but, so far this season, the theory has not been supported by the outcomes.

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Reply #99 –
Quote from: Lods – on
I know we shouldn't pick a side for any reason other than what's the best option on the day or maybe at a pinch for development purposes but...
Assuming he doesn't play, and that's a big assumption with this side... to drop Jack Silvagni the week after he's singled out for disgraceful, and very public abuse, probably isn't a great move for the guy's state of mind.

On the other hand, maybe they've had a discussion around it, perhaps including him, and with the bye coming up they do see it as a bit of release of pressure for Jack.

Maybe the voice wasn't from above the race but inside the tunnel.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #100 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
That's a nice theory but, so far this season, the theory has not been supported by the outcomes.

The process is not linear and not a given. There are no guarantees that your best side produces a win. It simply gives you the best chance. You can be quite certain that if the MC picked the team based on supporter input, our season would look a lot worse.

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Reply #101 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
The process is not linear and not a given. There are no guarantees that your best side produces a win. It simply gives you the best chance. You can be quite certain that if the MC picked the team based on supporter input, our season would look a lot worse.
That goes without saying but I am still not impressed with the MC's judgement.

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
That goes without saying but I am still not impressed with the MC's judgement.

That's fine, but you need to accept that their judgment comes with a wealth of insight, knowledge and experience that is not available to any supporter. We are, all of us, starting from a position of ignorance. It cannot be any other way. I don't mean ignorance about AFL football in general terms, I mean ignorance about all the inputs that are required to make player selection decisions from week to week.

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Reply #103 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
That's fine, but you need to accept that their judgment comes with a wealth of insight, knowledge and experience that is not available to any supporter. We are, all of us, starting from a position of ignorance. It cannot be any other way. I don't mean ignorance about AFL football in general terms, I mean ignorance about all the inputs that are required to make player selection decisions from week to week.

Fair points, Pauly... however...

Sometimes having a lot of information about players and the inputs you speak of can make the MC too subjective/close; even to the point of gifting blokes games based on reputation or even physical attributes alone to handle a specific position. And supporters (who think without sentimentality), have a basis of judgement solely on what they see on match day, and have a level of detachment/objectivity which can validate certain perspectives.

In addition we humble supporters witnessed, this year especially, out of form blokes being gifted game after game based on nothing more than potential/promise/reputation without delivery; persistent failure week after week - Fisher, JSOS, Honey, etc... much to the chagrin of we humble observers.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #104 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
That's a nice theory but, so far this season, the theory has not been supported by the outcomes.
Yep our MC usually lose us a few games through the season with ridiculous selections/non selections.