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Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #60
The late, great Johnny James in 1961?

It would be interesting to check out a Port supporters group to see which of our players they’re most anxious about.

I suspect that Hinkley is more concerned about Charlie, Harry, Martin, Cerra, Cripps, Walsh, Weitering, Saad, Docherty, Acres and our ruck combination than Voss is about Dixon, Finlayson, Allir, Butters, Rozee, et al.
Voss would want to pay attention to Ports players, they are not second on the ladder for nothing and have a lot of players we will struggle to contain if we don't get the matchups right. They are probably at their most gettable in this game and we don't want to feck it up by being complacent.
We can make finals but things have to go right and a win vs Port might be worth 8 points in the final washup.
Don't want any strange experimental selections or stupid tactical mistakes like allowing players like Butters, Rozee etc to run around on their own like we do sometimes.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #61
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It would be interesting to check out a Port supporters group to see which of our players they’re most anxious about.

I suspect that Hinkley is more concerned about Charlie, Harry, Martin, Cerra, Cripps, Walsh, Weitering, Saad, Docherty, Acres and our ruck combination than Voss is about Dixon, Finlayson, Allir, Butters, Rozee, et al.
From Big Footy PA v Carl game preview thread:

RE Jonas

"No McKenzie no port
Blues by 4 goals, Tom Jonas bog first Carlton"


"Who would Jonas match up on?
Curnow is laughable, he'd have 5m on Jonas in an instant.
McKay is half a foot taller than Jonas.
He's too slow to play on smalls.
No good as an interceptor as he can't mark anymore and is a dump kick player."
     "Silvagni"


"Tend to agree. Jonas might be the most like for like McKenzie replacement but I’d rather Bergman/Jones play on Curnow."
     "Curnow would kick 12.8 on Jonas. Too fast, too big, too athletic"

"We're replacing McKenzie's absolute left foot cannon with a Jonas' serviceable 30m sideways chip passes. That's a huge loss."

"It's alright, he'll only touch it once or twice. Probably for the best."

"Will Curnow be at the coin toss? That will about as close as Jonas will get to him if so."

"Jonas in has all the hallmarks of being able to pinpoint where a promising season disappeared before our eyes. He's a poor match-up on any Carlton players, but no matter how badly he goes, if he's in now they've decided he's a McKenzie replacement, so in for at least the time until he's back. Even that is wishful thinking, we aren't dropping him a week or two before finals."

General

"We need to bury the Blues - 40+.
Our midfield is faster and more skilful. Ferraris vs commodores.
Our forward line is more dynamic and talented.
Our defensive six have prioritised speed and talent over height and one on one ability.
We should crush these AFL rich boy darlings.
Would love an aggressive Pasini debut but I think, bergs back, Xavs to the wing and Narkle in up front makes sense.
Happy for Evans to sub or debut The Wolverine- it’s time, cracking game."


"Essentially an elimination final for the blues next week. Will be a good test for us.
Anyone know their record at Marvel?"

"Blues up and about. All of a sudden this game just got very interesting.
Expect the Blues faithful to pack out Marvel Stadium as they look to help their team break an interstate raiders 13-game winning streak….and also expect the 2015-16 umpiring treatment too."

"Yes. But Curnow and McKay as dual tall and very mobile forward targets for Carlton is quite formidable.
Aliir takes one next week. Who takes the other?"

"McKay played back into form."
    "Yep - the midfield delivery to him and Curnow has been elite. Despite Freo having a huge ruck dominance with
      47 hit outs (to 8) thus far Carlton are killing the centre clearances to advantage. "

Nullifying that midfield dominance once the ball hits the deck. That's obviously the focus for us against them next week..

"Drop ken as Carlton have no reckonized coach"

"Don’t know why we’ve struggled against this side away. Since the start of ‘07, we’ve only beaten the blues in Melbourne twice (2014 and 2018), so this assignment will be anything but easy."

"Carlton away in WA this evening, will be very tough for them to back it up on a Marvel deck we play well.
We get in to a mini tough run after this with Collingwood - Crows - Geelong"

"Posted this in today's game thread but fits here.
Against Carlton at Docklands next week - and they have no (recognised) ruck with both Marc Pittonet and De Koning out due to injury. So no need for a tap ruckman with no mobility as it will leave our mids exposed to a smaller faster centre bounce set up.
So Hayes out. (sorry Schulzy :cry:).
Give Dixon and his peg leg a well earned rest before Collingwood.
Bring in Ollie Lord (who's back from suspension) to rotate with Finlayson in the ruck
And I'm not sure what we do to replace McKenzie if his ankle is something serious but the SANFL form of a couple of players looks pretty good and surely Duursma has done enough to get a spot back in the As.
Narkle stays in. And maybe Burgoyne gets another look with Rioli out for personal reasons."

"If we can repeat the 3rd quarter against the Suns, we'll be hard to beat anyway (although playing just 1 quarter this week may be fraught with danger)."



In reply to a Bluebagger:
"Should be a good game this week, BAT. Carlton has been in good form, but these days, Port loses at Marvel about as often as I meet intelligent Crows fans."

"Carlton supporters have always been the most delusional. Felt sorry for them at times but I think they are in need of another reality check."

"Carlton supporters are very, very confident they will beat us."

"Just a few days ago, this was just like any other game to me. Now I really want to put them back in their box!
Yeah they are, I had one taunting me saying they will be 5th after this weekend. Game will be won in the centre if we starve their forwards - Game Over."
There was this classy reply to the post above
"now i hope we piss blast them in their faces"
(if anyone can explain to me what piss blast is that would be great, doesn't sound pleasant thought)

"I find them highly annoying - every time we play them the ranga Cotterill has a decent game. I don't think I've seen him play a good game against any of the other 16 teams."

"Matthew Kennedy out for Carlton avoids acl but will miss 6 weeks"
"That's a loss for us. Very ordinary footballer."

2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #62
:( From Big Footy PA v Carl game preview thread:

RE Jonas

"No McKenzie no port
Blues by 4 goals, Tom Jonas bog first Carlton"


"Who would Jonas match up on?
Curnow is laughable, he'd have 5m on Jonas in an instant.
McKay is half a foot taller than Jonas.
He's too slow to play on smalls.
No good as an interceptor as he can't mark anymore and is a dump kick player."
     "Silvagni"


"Tend to agree. Jonas might be the most like for like McKenzie replacement but I’d rather Bergman/Jones play on Curnow."
     "Curnow would kick 12.8 on Jonas. Too fast, too big, too athletic"

"We're replacing McKenzie's absolute left foot cannon with a Jonas' serviceable 30m sideways chip passes. That's a huge loss."

"It's alright, he'll only touch it once or twice. Probably for the best."

"Will Curnow be at the coin toss? That will about as close as Jonas will get to him if so."

"Jonas in has all the hallmarks of being able to pinpoint where a promising season disappeared before our eyes. He's a poor match-up on any Carlton players, but no matter how badly he goes, if he's in now they've decided he's a McKenzie replacement, so in for at least the time until he's back. Even that is wishful thinking, we aren't dropping him a week or two before finals."

General

"We need to bury the Blues - 40+.
Our midfield is faster and more skilful. Ferraris vs commodores.
Our forward line is more dynamic and talented.
Our defensive six have prioritised speed and talent over height and one on one ability.
We should crush these AFL rich boy darlings.
Would love an aggressive Pasini debut but I think, bergs back, Xavs to the wing and Narkle in up front makes sense.
Happy for Evans to sub or debut The Wolverine- it’s time, cracking game."


"Essentially an elimination final for the blues next week. Will be a good test for us.
Anyone know their record at Marvel?"

"Blues up and about. All of a sudden this game just got very interesting.
Expect the Blues faithful to pack out Marvel Stadium as they look to help their team break an interstate raiders 13-game winning streak….and also expect the 2015-16 umpiring treatment too."

"Yes. But Curnow and McKay as dual tall and very mobile forward targets for Carlton is quite formidable.
Aliir takes one next week. Who takes the other?"

"McKay played back into form."
    "Yep - the midfield delivery to him and Curnow has been elite. Despite Freo having a huge ruck dominance with
      47 hit outs (to 8) thus far Carlton are killing the centre clearances to advantage. "

Nullifying that midfield dominance once the ball hits the deck. That's obviously the focus for us against them next week..

"Drop ken as Carlton have no reckonized coach"

"Don’t know why we’ve struggled against this side away. Since the start of ‘07, we’ve only beaten the blues in Melbourne twice (2014 and 2018), so this assignment will be anything but easy."

"Carlton away in WA this evening, will be very tough for them to back it up on a Marvel deck we play well.
We get in to a mini tough run after this with Collingwood - Crows - Geelong"

"Posted this in today's game thread but fits here.
Against Carlton at Docklands next week - and they have no (recognised) ruck with both Marc Pittonet and De Koning out due to injury. So no need for a tap ruckman with no mobility as it will leave our mids exposed to a smaller faster centre bounce set up.
So Hayes out. (sorry Schulzy :cry:).
Give Dixon and his peg leg a well earned rest before Collingwood.
Bring in Ollie Lord (who's back from suspension) to rotate with Finlayson in the ruck
And I'm not sure what we do to replace McKenzie if his ankle is something serious but the SANFL form of a couple of players looks pretty good and surely Duursma has done enough to get a spot back in the As.
Narkle stays in. And maybe Burgoyne gets another look with Rioli out for personal reasons."

"If we can repeat the 3rd quarter against the Suns, we'll be hard to beat anyway (although playing just 1 quarter this week may be fraught with danger)."



In reply to a Bluebagger:
"Should be a good game this week, BAT. Carlton has been in good form, but these days, Port loses at Marvel about as often as I meet intelligent Crows fans."

"Carlton supporters have always been the most delusional. Felt sorry for them at times but I think they are in need of another reality check."

"Carlton supporters are very, very confident they will beat us."

"Just a few days ago, this was just like any other game to me. Now I really want to put them back in their box!
Yeah they are, I had one taunting me saying they will be 5th after this weekend. Game will be won in the centre if we starve their forwards - Game Over."
There was this classy reply to the post above
"now i hope we piss blast them in their faces"
(if anyone can explain to me what piss blast is that would be great, doesn't sound pleasant thought)

"I find them highly annoying - every time we play them the ranga Cotterill has a decent game. I don't think I've seen him play a good game against any of the other 16 teams."

"Matthew Kennedy out for Carlton avoids acl but will miss 6 weeks"
"That's a loss for us. Very ordinary footballer."


Jonas is a thug and thats his only value...Narkle is a spud and Allir soft and over-rated.
Mckenzie is nothing special either apart from his kicking.
Hope we win by 1 point via a controversial free kick after the siren and send those Port ferals home as miserable as possible.

 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #63
Jonas is a thug and thats his only value...Narkle is a spud and Allir soft and over-rated.
Mckenzie is nothing special either apart from his kicking.
Hope we win by 1 point via a controversial free kick after the siren and send those Port ferals home as miserable as possible.
If had magic powers to chose the outcome, I'd prefer an embarrassing thrashing leaving them questioning their flag hopes and eating their young.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #64
If had magic powers to chose the outcome, I'd prefer an embarrassing thrashing leaving them questioning their flag hopes and eating their young.
That would be another handy scenario😊👍, I just want to see them screaming and frothing at the mouth how they have been robbed and stewing over it.  They have tortured us for years with Robbie Gray kicking match winning last quarter goals and Id love Harry to be the one that kicks a prayer shot banana from the wrong side of the ground that wobbles its way through the middle.They might get that thrashing when they play Collingwood the following week.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #65
Voss would want to pay attention to Ports players, they are not second on the ladder for nothing and have a lot of players we will struggle to contain if we don't get the matchups right. They are probably at their most gettable in this game and we don't want to feck it up by being complacent.
We can make finals but things have to go right and a win vs Port might be worth 8 points in the final washup.
Don't want any strange experimental selections or stupid tactical mistakes like allowing players like Butters, Rozee etc to run around on their own like we do sometimes.

The thing about footy is that it's a game of momentum and the monent and we've got momentum in spades at the moment.  Over Rounds 14-17, we're:

Eighth for Inside-50s,
Equal fourth for Marks inside 50,   
Second for Scores per inside 50,
First for Goals per inside 50,
Third for Shots at goal,
First for Points   scored,
Third for Shot at goal accuracy, and
Third for Set shot scoring accuracy.

Our defence is more than capable of making life very difficult for Dixon, Finlayson, Marshall and Rioli but I doubt whether Hinkley is confident that his defence can stifle our forwards.  Similarly, our midfield is in a rare vein of form and will trouble any opposition, even with Kennedy missing.  Our rucks are a problem but Hayes is a novice and shouldn't worry us.

If we bring the same energy and endeavour as we have over the last three rounds, Hinkley will have a torrid time in the coach's box.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #66
Our defence is more than capable of making life very difficult for Dixon, Finlayson, Marshall and Rioli but I doubt whether Hinkley is confident that his defence can stifle our forwards.  Similarly, our midfield is in a rare vein of form and will trouble any opposition, even with Kennedy missing.  Our rucks are a problem but Hayes is a novice and shouldn't worry us.
Don't jinx us! ;)

Most AFL coaches try to stop the scoring by negating the source rather than stop the scoring once it's inside 50. I'd be gobsmacked if Hinkley's focus isn't 100% Midfield domination, and they will go to school on the Young / SoJ ruck habits as part of that as well as our next man in focus.

I'd be forcing us to go wide from stoppages, and close up space on the likes of Walsh and Cerra who are knocked up on getting footy on the spread. The trick for us is going to be what can we do if the let us take the footy 1st but stop us having someone to give it to!

I'd look for any signs of us over doing handball early on, it'll be a symptom of our options being closed off!

Away from the Midfield, the last three weeks we scored a lot from forcing turnovers, Saad, Boyd, Doc, Kemp, Cincotta and last week Cottrell have all been relentless at hunting the footy, with Fogarty and Cunningham combined with Walsh and Cerra have been good users of it. What do they do if Port surrender the front spot?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #67
That’s the word I was looking for LP; “relentless”.

If we can be relentless again, we should win.

I think the rucks could be a concern.  Port has done OK with losing rucks and won’t be expecting an armchair ride like Freo’s mids were.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #68
The thing about footy is that it's a game of momentum and the monent and we've got momentum in spades at the moment.  Over Rounds 14-17, we're:

Eighth for Inside-50s,
Equal fourth for Marks inside 50,   
Second for Scores per inside 50,
First for Goals per inside 50,
Third for Shots at goal,
First for Points   scored,
Third for Shot at goal accuracy, and
Third for Set shot scoring accuracy.

Our defence is more than capable of making life very difficult for Dixon, Finlayson, Marshall and Rioli but I doubt whether Hinkley is confident that his defence can stifle our forwards.  Similarly, our midfield is in a rare vein of form and will trouble any opposition, even with Kennedy missing.  Our rucks are a problem but Hayes is a novice and shouldn't worry us.

If we bring the same energy and endeavour as we have over the last three rounds, Hinkley will have a torrid time in the coach's box.

I agree however if Gov is missing that will put a hole in the defence (unless TDK comes in and Young goes back).
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #69
Gov out is it time for "Return of the Marchbank" ??

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #70
Was he a defender then or mid/fwd?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #71
Nah, a professional diver and umpire harasser.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #72
Ports midfield is a lot better than anyone here is giving them credit for.  Boak pops up when the going gets tough.  Ollie wines is playing good footy.  SPP throws his weight around and is like a bull in a China shop.  Butters and rozee have a great one two punch and plenty of outside run.  This will be a good contest at the source. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #73
Ports midfield is a lot better than anyone here is giving them credit for.  Boak pops up when the going gets tough.  Ollie wines is playing good footy.  SPP throws his weight around and is like a bull in a China shop.  Butters and rozee have a great one two punch and plenty of outside run.  This will be a good contest at the source. 
Lycett and Duursma look like playing too...

Re: AFL Rd 18 2023 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #74
Ports midfield is a lot better than anyone here is giving them credit for.  Boak pops up when the going gets tough.  Ollie wines is playing good footy.  SPP throws his weight around and is like a bull in a China shop.  Butters and rozee have a great one two punch and plenty of outside run.  This will be a good contest at the source. 
Im certainly not dismissing their midfield, they are top shelf, bat deep and ours has it work cut out this week.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership