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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #135 –
Quote from: DJC – on
@DJC Obviously an AI fabrication, quick check with ChatGPT, how could it possibly be TDK flies while Gawn is left watching on? ;D
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #136 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Did Marchbank really say that?
I read this:
Marchbank told ABC Radio post-match he was adamant he had touched the shot, even if replays raised doubts about whether it actually touched his fingertips.

“I turned around and thought, “Please touch this, please touch this”. Fortunately I did and the umpire called it. It was nice. The crowd was going so crazy so I didn’t know if they called it a point or a goal.

“My heart stopped, I thought they kicked a goal and I thought I just cost us the game but they called it the other way and here we are.”

Asked where he touched the ball he said: “On the fingertips but I was just hoping for anywhere. It was heart-in-mouth stuff. I was just hoping it would go in my favour.”

Its the bold bit that caught my eye. Having read it all again, I guess he starts with that he touched it.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #137 –
I just watched the last two minutes again and both Pitto and the King were heavily involved.

Acres exit kick went down the line and the King got to the marking contests and spoiled the ball out of bounds.

Pitto and Gawn contested the throw in and neither got the hitout.  Acres cleared the ball back into the corridor where Hibberd and the King contested the mark.  The ball went to ground for a ball up.

Pitto and Gawn contested the ball up, Pitto got the hitout but the ball went to Langdon.  He was tackled and another ball up ensued.

Pitto and Gawn contested the ball up, Pitto got the hitout but the ball bobbled around before it was kicked to the wing.

Pitto collected a loose ball after Charlie contested the mark.  He handpassed to Charlie and the ball was knocked out of bounds by Acres.

Pitto ran hard to get to the next marking contest inside 50 and attempted a spoil from the front of the pack (Kemp got the spoil).

Melbourne got another inside 50 and the King spoiled the contest (as per the photograph above).

Both players were instrumental in denying Melbourne scoring opportunities.  The King's athleticism enabled him to get to marking contests and effect spoils or stop Melbourne marking.  Pitto neutralised Gawn in ruck contests where a decisive hitout and clearance could have changed the result.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #138 –
The acres kick to TDK was the one i was referencing previously. Not sure how much was acres poor kicking (a huge bugbear of mine) or how much was TDK not getting to the contest (ie being blocked in getting there) but i thought TDK was the intended target.

No mention of the dropped TDK mark in there somewhere?

As for the photo, credit to TDK for the spoil, i didn't have a freeze frame image to see which one of the 73 players got their hand on it though. Honestly cannot remember a bigger pack.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #139 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The acres kick to TDK was the one i was referencing previously. Not sure how much was acres poor kicking (a huge bugbear of mine) or how much was TDK not getting to the contest (ie being blocked in getting there) but i thought TDK was the intended target.

No mention of the dropped TDK mark in there somewhere?

As for the photo, credit to TDK for the spoil, i didn't have a freeze frame image to see which one of the 73 players got their hand on it though. Honestly cannot remember a bigger pack.

The Acres kick wasn’t intended to go where it did.  Kemp spoke about kicks down the corridor not being part of the plan and that kick went as high as it went long.  I don’t like the term but it was a dump (or dumb) kick that could have cost us the game.

That was the mark the King didn’t hold but it was an incredible effort for him to get to the contest and stop Hibberd taking the mark.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #140 –
I'm sure Melbourne wish a few of their forwards got almost marks that stopped Weitering, Kemp and Newman from intercepting.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #141 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The Acres kick wasn’t intended to go where it did.  Kemp spoke about kicks down the corridor not being part of the plan and that kick went as high as it went long.  I don’t like the term but it was a dump (or dumb) kick that could have cost us the game.

That was the mark the King didn’t hold but it was an incredible effort for him to get to the contest and stop Hibberd taking the mark.

OK, we are talking about different kicks.

Acres had one that sprayed into the middle.
Acres also had one that went long down the line that TDK got a fist on. May have been just outside the last 2 minutes.

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #142 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
OK, we are talking about different kicks.

Acres had one that sprayed into the middle.
Acres also had one that went long down the line that TDK got a fist on. May have been just outside the last 2 minutes.

Acres’ kick down the line was the one that De Koning made up 20m to effect the spoil and get the ball out of bounds.  That’s the first contest I referred to.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #143 –
Quote from: DJC – on
https://www.carltonsc.com/index.php?action=dlattach;sa=tmpattach;attach=post_tmp_324_2c0d5fa5892d09ebf4556ad080a796c5;topic=6539

That’s one of his efforts that I commended, one of those non stats that add up to be critical to success.
I think earlier this year it wouldn’t have happened…
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #144 –
Quote from: northernblue – on
That’s one of his efforts that I commended, one of those non stats that add up to be critical to success.
I think earlier this year it wouldn’t have happened…
It probably wouldn't have happened when the ruck is a solo because late in games they run out of legs, and no a D-Grade relief doing 5 minutes here or there is not the same as having a 4-qtr fulltime 1st ruck partner.

It's the combination of rucks that compliment each other that is providing the flexibility, there is no pressure for one player to be all over the ground for the bulk of the match, they can setup and rotate in a way that best suits them and get the time on the bench needed to rest.

Some fans talk about Pitto being off the ground as a sign of a negative, it isn't, it's the rotation that allows Pitto to keep up with a bloke like Gawn, if Pitto had to stay out there with Gawn he'd be cooked, it's also the rotation that allows TDK to run deep right to the very end of the game.

Also, perhaps a bigger plus, we no longer have a single point of failure.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #145 –
Quote from: LP – on
As a Blues fan, we should be use to listening to and watching broadcasts where the bulk of the commentary is against us, anyone who watched the launch of the new book documenting the 70s would confirm that when the media took Balme's perspective over Southby, ask @ElwoodBlues1 and @Lods what they think of Balme! ;o


Don't start me on Balme !!!

He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's. When he took out Big Nick every Carlton fan went nuts, they nearly jumped the fence when he cleaned up Southby. I was a young lad back then but it was incidents like those that truly galvanised the Cartlon throng and turned them into a major force who insisted we win mega premierships as a payback.
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Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #146 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Don't start me on Balme !!!

He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's. When he took out Big Nick every Carlton fan went nuts, they nearly jumped the fence when he cleaned up Southby. I was a young lad back then but it was incidents like those that truly galvanised the Cartlon throng and turned them into a major force who insisted we win mega premierships as a payback.

Lawrie Fowler took out Big Nick. 

That's the only time I've ever witnessed an MCG crowd in stunned silence.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!
 

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #147 –
Quote from: LordLucifer – on
Don't start me on Balme !!!

He is obviously a very good adminstrator in his later years but he was one of the dirtiest pricks to ever play the game in the 70's. 
Mal Brown says hello!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #148 –
Quote from: LP – on
It probably wouldn't have happened when the ruck is a solo because late in games they run out of legs, and no a D-Grade relief doing 5 minutes here or there is not the same as having a 4-qtr fulltime 1st ruck partner.

It's the combination of rucks that compliment each other that is providing the flexibility, there is no pressure for one player to be all over the ground for the bulk of the match, they can setup and rotate in a way that best suits them and get the time on the bench needed to rest.

Some fans talk about Pitto being off the ground as a sign of a negative, it isn't, it's the rotation that allows Pitto to keep up with a bloke like Gawn, if Pitto had to stay out there with Gawn he'd be cooked, it's also the rotation that allows TDK to run deep right to the very end of the game.

Also, perhaps a bigger plus, we no longer have a single point of failure.

In terms of ruckwork, in terms of keeping rucks fresh....no, of course its not a negative.
However, in terms of the rest of the team, its a negative.
If you want to keep ruckwork even fresher, have 4 of them on the bench. Your ruckwork will imrpove dramatically and Gawn will never be able to keep up. However, the trade off is that the rest of the team has to pick up the slack. Whether its 4 rucks, or 2 rucks, the rest of the team has to compensate for that luxury.

Every man and his dog tells us that the ruckwork itself means little to the overall contest of the game......but at the same time they want to add 2 of them? Now either its important or its not? If its not, why do you need 2??

Re: AFL Rd 22 2023 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #149 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
However, in terms of the rest of the team, its a negative.
It's only a negative if the 1st ruck on the field can't go with him, otherwise it's just another man on man match up and has no penalty to the rest of the team.

When one 1st ruck starts running off others, it's a big issue, because others have to start minding extra numbers and they fatigue.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"