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Reply #150 –
I saw some random youtube video on BYD and how they are heavily backed by the chinese government and its not sustainable and could potentially go bust if one of a couple things happen.
It was kinda just on in the background, but it seemed theoroughly researched and plenty of facts and figures based on annual figures etc etc.

Was a bit worrying as if any of it came to fruition, it would cause complete chaos to the car market.

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Reply #151 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I saw some random youtube video on BYD and how they are heavily backed by the chinese government and its not sustainable and could potentially go bust if one of a couple things happen.
It was kinda just on in the background, but it seemed theoroughly researched and plenty of facts and figures based on annual figures etc etc.

Was a bit worrying as if any of it came to fruition, it would cause complete chaos to the car market.
BYD get looked after by the Chinese Government with subsidies and cheap state bank loans because they are seen as a national success story, they do have some debt but its not extreme.
Founder led listed business on the HK exchange and the Chairman who runs it is a keen CCP member with an interest in China's strategic position and hasnt had to have his arm twisted to align himself with Xi's directives.
Their sales figures have dropped at home but with Xi helping him out Id expect that to be mitigated and they will stay on top of the  EV heap while the brand stay aligned with the Government..

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Reply #152 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
I saw some random youtube video on BYD and how they are heavily backed by the chinese government and its not sustainable and could potentially go bust if one of a couple things happen.
It was kinda just on in the background, but it seemed theoroughly researched and plenty of facts and figures based on annual figures etc etc.

Was a bit worrying as if any of it came to fruition, it would cause complete chaos to the car market.
BYD get looked after by the Chinese Government with subsidies and cheap state bank loans because they are seen as a national success story, they do have some debt but its not extreme.
Founder led listed business on the HK exchange and the Chairman who runs it is a keen CCP member with an interest in China's strategic position and hasnt had to have his arm twisted to align himself with Xi's directives.
Their sales figures have dropped at home but with Xi helping him out Id expect that to be mitigated and they will stay on top of the  EV heap while the brand stay aligned with the Government..

I think one of the issues would be if the Chinese government stopped subsidising them, they would crumble like a house of cards and just as quick.
I think sales figures have also been inflated, with 1000's of them being 'bought', but rusting away in a car park somewhere.

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Reply #153 –
BYD sell batteries, China always use the same tactics to kill the market then boost prices. The problem for them is India is now rapidly coming online as a competitor. I have Chinese business associates who have started buying India made to sell into China, because they tell me China can't compete on price and the only thing the China domestic market cares about is price. When the subsidies dry up, the market collapses at an astonishing rate.

btw., You can now purchase re-badged BYD under dozens of different brand names, each one gets cheaper and nastier.

Everyone I talk to tells me the new EV Mazdas are a cut above the accepted standards and sensibly priced, but that they too will struggle to compete in a cutthroat market.

There is a lot of argy-bargy in EV circles about hydrogen being dead / defeated, but it's just a hiatus, there have just been a series of R&D breakthroughs that will make hydrogen generation and transport cheaper and greener. It's going to appear in heavy transport and mass transit first, where depos are easily retrofit for refuelling, but it's inevitably coming to residential. The only thing slowing the uptake are the subsidies on batteries, and distribution.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #154 –
I have no inclination or plan to buy an EV. Just does not add up for me.
Reality always wins in the end.

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Reply #155 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I have no inclination or plan to buy an EV. Just does not add up for me.
There was a lot of anticipation about the HiLux EV, and the expected next gen Landcruiser EV, to say the HiLux has fallen flat is a tad understated.

They aren't true 4x4, they are heavier than the old model, reduced load and reduced towing, and performance is horrendous. I read one review stating they basically took an EV Sedan and put on a HiLux body, but really it's now a Mum's school or soccer run car and not genuine off-road.

PS; They also cost about 30% more on the diesel! :o

Sign of the times?
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #156 –
2026 Top 10 cars in Australia (H1):

Ford Ranger – 26,314 (-7.0%)
Toyota HiLux – 22,607 (-13.9%)
Tesla Model Y – 20,396 (+95.5%)
Toyota RAV4 – 15,551 (-35.3%)
Chery Tiggo 4 – 13,638 (+70.6%)
Hyundai Kona – 13,132 (+16.8%)
Isuzu D-Max – 12,908 (-8.2%)
BYD Sealion 7 – 12,516 (+233.2%)
GWM Haval Jolion – 11,480 (+27.1%)
Hyundai Tucson – 11,236 (+9.4%)
The Ford Everest (11,133, -9.4%) has fallen out of the top 10, along with other key SUVs including the Mitsubishi Outlander (10,907, -4.3%), Mazda CX-5 (10,542, -12.1%) and Toyota LandCruiser Prado (9102, -41.6%). In their place are fast-growing EVs and popular cheap SUVs from Chinese brands: BYD Sealion 7, Chery Tiggo 4 and GWM Haval Jolion.
 

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Reply #157 –
Quote from: cookie2 – on
I have no inclination or plan to buy an EV. Just does not add up for me.
x2..The savings dont equate when you are paying a lot more for an EV and you are not doing the same milage you did when working/younger. I guess if you are a greenie then the environmental benefits if any might impact your decision but like you I dont see any reason to be in a EV based on the maths.

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Reply #158 –
I'm looking at the hybrid Ranger, simply for on board power.
Can run a fridge and have power when camping which saves me carrying extra batteries.

Supposebly gets a $h!tload better l/km but when work pays for that, i don't care.

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Reply #159 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'm looking at the hybrid Ranger, simply for on board power.
Can run a fridge and have power when camping which saves me carrying extra batteries.

Supposebly gets a $h!tload better l/km but when work pays for that, i don't care.
Ford need your business, without the Ranger they would be out of business....

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Reply #160 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'm looking at the hybrid Ranger, simply for on board power.
Can run a fridge and have power when camping which saves me carrying extra batteries.

Supposebly gets a $h!tload better l/km but when work pays for that, i don't care.
Ford need your business, without the Ranger they would be out of business....

I didn't like Ford or rangers until i was given one as a company car.
Their tech is far superior to anything else out there.
So much so, that i couldn't live with anything less now.
I was a hilux man before that, but they ended up being overpriced and well behind on tech. They have caught up recently.

I did have a triton for a while which was terrible to drive and while the tech was better than the hilux, was nowhere near the ranger.

I don't need it for any hardcore off-roading, but do go camping in areas where 4wd is not necessary, but can get you out of trouble.

There's a reason they sell so many.....and its mostly due to companies making them their base fleet car....but they are good to drive and don't feel like a ute.

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Reply #161 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on

Ford need your business, without the Ranger they would be out of business....

I didn't like Ford or rangers until i was given one as a company car.
Their tech is far superior to anything else out there.
So much so, that i couldn't live with anything less now.
I was a hilux man before that, but they ended up being overpriced and well behind on tech. They have caught up recently.

I did have a triton for a while which was terrible to drive and while the tech was better than the hilux, was nowhere near the ranger.

I don't need it for any hardcore off-roading, but do go camping in areas where 4wd is not necessary, but can get you out of trouble.

There's a reason they sell so many.....and its mostly due to companies making them their base fleet car....but they are good to drive and don't feel like a ute.
Fair enough,  you do pay the Badge premium with Toyota and their dealerships are loathe to negotiate.

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Reply #162 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I'm looking at the hybrid Ranger, simply for on board power.
Can run a fridge and have power when camping which saves me carrying extra batteries.

Supposebly gets a $h!tload better l/km but when work pays for that, i don't care.
Is that assuming you don't need the full load or towing capcity? 
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"