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Reply #180
BYD got caught flogging 2025 EV and hybrid vehicles as 2026 MY and they have now raised their compensation offer from $1100 to $3500.  Given that EVs can lose 15% to 25% of their value in the first year, I'd be holding out for more.

I heard on the wireless recently that drivers are waiting for months for warranty repairs because the proliferation of new overseas EV manufacturers are "inexperienced" with our consumer protection laws.  If you're going to lash out on an EV, buy one from an established maufacturer.
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Re: The EV thread

Reply #181
BYD got caught flogging 2025 EV and hybrid vehicles as 2026 MY and they have now raised their compensation offer from $1100 to $3500.  Given that EVs can lose 15% to 25% of their value in the first year, I'd be holding out for more.
Yes, for EV cars I think the new Mazda 6e might be the pick of the bunch.

No Tesla Tax, no stupid performance over range, an established brand, building on inhouse technology not just assembling, and they are not going to evaporate overnight like the clones.

The only thing I wish they had was a traditional sedan over the hatchback design, I've never been a big fan of hatchbacks.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The EV thread

Reply #182
It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: The EV thread

Reply #183
I just ordered the Tesla Model YL.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

 

Re: The EV thread

Reply #184
It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!
I will never have faith in automated systems in that situation.

Ive seen too many machines have a "run away process" that consumes too much ram or cpu and then the machine stops behaving properly.

Lets not get started on bug and patch fixes, and the obvious cyber security issue and threat actors that could hi-jack such systems.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: The EV thread

Reply #185
It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!

Come drive some roads in the Northern suburbs where you play pot hole roulette and tell me how the end navigate that.
There will be a long line of cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and no drivers to change them.