Carlton Supporters Club

BYD got caught flogging 2025 EV and hybrid vehicles as 2026 MY and they have now raised their compensation offer from $1100 to $3500.  Given that EVs can lose 15% to 25% of their value in the first year, I'd be holding out for more.

It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!

It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!

I just ordered the Tesla Model YL.

Quote from: LP – on Today at 08:22:11 am

It's hard to see 100% public trust in self-driving cars, but they are inevitable, and of course EVs are the natural delivery method for this technology.

No matter how good we think we are, how well we think we can focus and concentrate, compared to just about any working machine we are rubbish.

The vast majority of accidents, minor or major, are caused by driver distraction, inattention or fatigue regardless of other contributing causes. Much like the weight of evidence in favour of vaccines, the data is now building that in general full self-driving is safer than human driving, as uncomfortable as that may be for some it's a harsh reality of human versus machine. I travel a lot, and almost daily I see people driving on the freeway, usually in a Tesla, while doing their makeup or reading a document, it's disturbing but keep this in mind, the people who you see doing this don't stop behaving this way when they haven't access to some form of self-driving mode. Cruising down the highway at 100kph doing your makeup is not a new phenomenon, it didn't just appear with the invention of self-driving.

Another thing EVs have made worse, getting cut off on the freeway and people taking your braking space. They have so much available torque at freeway speed they can just accelerate relative to the cars around them like never before, and duck through the smallest spaces. Anyone who runs a car with radar cruise control will know what havoc this causes, truckies must be going crazy, some drivers cut through spaces many couldn't even make a park in!

Come drive some roads in the Northern suburbs where you play pot hole roulette and tell me how the end navigate that.
There will be a long line of cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and no drivers to change them.

Quote from: madbluboy – on Today at 08:46:38 am

I just ordered the Tesla Model YL.

Good on you mate - Im sure you will enjoy it

I booked an uber to the airport a few months back and he arrived in a tesla. I mentioned I've heard about their acceleration and he said do you want me to show you which i replied yeah why not. Well he pulled up to a dead stop and floored it and within a few seconds i had to tell the bloke to stop as it literally made me feel sick in the head. I have had a few bouts vertigo in the past and the pressure was too much.

Been in several modified V8s and owned a few muscle cars over the years and never had an issue but the smooth dead quiet acceleration my head couldn't take it. 

Felt like the take off on the tower of terror ride at a Dreamworld. 
  

I will never have faith in automated systems in that situation.

Ive seen too many machines have a "run away process" that consumes too much ram or cpu and then the machine stops behaving properly.

Lets not get started on bug and patch fixes, and the obvious cyber security issue and threat actors that could hi-jack such systems.

I only test drove the base model Y which was quick.

The AWD YL has more power but will have to take it easy driving to Adelaide along the Western hwy for xmas.

Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 09:59:31 am

Come drive some roads in the Northern suburbs where you play pot hole roulette and tell me how the end navigate that.
There will be a long line of cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and no drivers to change them.

Just heard on the news a man just died after his motorbike hit a pothole on the western hwy. 

I could say more but you have all heard it before.....

Quote from: kruddler – on Today at 09:59:31 am

Come drive some roads in the Northern suburbs where you play pot hole roulette and tell me how the end navigate that.
There will be a long line of cars pulled over on the side of the road with flats and no drivers to change them.

Just heard on the news a man just died after his motorbike hit a pothole on the western hwy. 

I could say more but you have all heard it before.....