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Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #45 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Is the media going to spend the next month talking about the sodas that Charlie Cameron missed?? Or is that only reserved for H?
They reserve it for BigH because of the way Carlton fans carry on, Hipwood similar / worse but the media bites it's tongue.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #46 –
That game was genuine progress.

The best version of BigH must not ruck, we were losing momentum every time TDK went off.

Carroll is a keeper, you can see why we let "what's his name" move on!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #47 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
1. You only need 1 ruck. You only ever need 1 ruck. Harry, cripps and even Kennedy giving the number 1 ruck a chopout is all you need.
It won't be formulaic as you suggest, some weeks we'll play two, some weeks we won't.

If the umpire had paid that ruck infringement free against Kennedy inside the Lion's F50 in the final minutes you wouldn't be so happy, he was lucky the umps packed up the whistles.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #48 –
Wow! Thats character! The game was a bit of a blur as I was at a mates place having a few (several) quiet ones. To defend like that for 60 seconds with the ball deep inside their F50 was super impressive. Clearly worked on that scenario and it paid off off.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #49 –
Pleased to have won.  Brisbane kicked something like 5 goals 11 after quarter time.  Make it 7 goals 9 and they likely snuff out that comeback and they did miss a bunch of relatively easy shots along the way.

It's a swings and roundabouts game.  We didn't play well but the effort was there. 

Is Lachie neale a protected species or what?  He holds scraps and hits off ball all the time and whilst opponents do it to him, he is happy to dish out.  Watch George Hewett get a suspension for that hit.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #50 –
Quote from: frostydog – on
Biggest comeback since round 3 2007. 48 points down against the bombers. Fev kicked 8

While the 2007 comeback was greater by 2 points it was between 2 bottom tier teams - last nights was a comeback against last years finalist on their home patch. Was an amazing effort

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #51 –
Thought both whipping boys Young and Boyd competed well and held their own.

Williams slotted in like he hasnt missed a beat - gave us ran out of back 50 and uses it well even when in traffic. Has very good vision and does'nt panic

Still cant warm to Fantasia. I trust Voss and will hopefully later in the season will see why we got him in.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #52 –
Just rewatched the last 6 or so minutes with the kid who went to bed and missed it.

Was reminded of Cameron hitting Gov in the ribs. Is that nor worth a suspension? Intentional, body, medium - 1 week.
Ball was not in his possession, basically over the line, lowered the shoulder and targetted an unprotected player.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #53 –
Quote from: LP – on
It won't be formulaic as you suggest, some weeks we'll play two, some weeks we won't.

If the umpire had paid that ruck infringement free against Kennedy inside the Lion's F50 in the final minutes you wouldn't be so happy, he was lucky the umps packed up the whistles.

No doubt the second ruck debat will again be a feature of this year's commentary. :D  :D
It is situational and depends a lot on the quality of your back up ruckman.
Right now Pitto seems to be well off the pace.
But if you had two in-form ruckmen who complemented each other, and brought different things to the game it may be a different story.
Do you play the strong second ruckman or a fringe mid-fielder.

Tom was terrific last night.
He contested well, but the best feature of his game was his follow-up efforts. (Kreuzeresque)
I did think that towards the end of the game he started to tire a bit (understandably) and was mistiming his leaps. Over the length of the season that may be a problem if he continues to be the sole main ruck.

There is a risk with just one ruck.
If Tom had been injured mid-way through the second quarter then last night just doesn't happen.
The burden on the smaller back up rucks takes them away from their main tasks and the opposition ruck still dominates in the contests.

It will always be a case of horses for courses and depend on the form and fitness of that second ruck and the strengths of the opposition.

As for the game, when we're hot we're hot, and when we're not we're cold as ice.
Effort, intensity and contest are the keys to how we go.
As it stands and barring significant injuries I think with the addition of Weitering, Walsh and Martin on the MCG in a final's situation we would be ahead of Brisbane. ;)
 

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #54 –
The Harry part time ruck concept worked well and two unsung players were Young and Kemp who pregame were concerns in the Key back roles but both did their job.
Excellent win against the odds and most players contributed...
Kudos to Voss for his coaching as matchups were good and banking a tough win like that is worth more than the 4 points IMHO.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #55 –
Quote from: Lods – on
No doubt the second ruck debat will again be a feature of this year's commentary. :D  :D
It is situational and depends a lot on the quality of your back up ruckman.
Right now Pitto seems to be well off the pace.
But if you had two in-form ruckmen who complemented each other, and brought different things to the game it may be a different story.
Do you play the strong second ruckman or a fringe mid-fielder.

The debate has always been about what is best for the team and team balance.

Pitto and TDK compliment eachother and make eachother better.
....but at the expense of more run and carry.

Against Brisbane, who are the kings of run, carry and fast ball movement, you simply cannot afford the luxury of 2 rucks.
Against lesser teams, you can carry 2 rucks and still be good enough. You could swap TDK and Pitto and ensure you don't burn one out as well.

But ultimately, you will win more games with the team balance we had last night than you will with 2 rucks against the better teams.

The only question mark is over the 'injury to #1 ruck' during the game and how that could have an effect on the result.
Over the course of the year, that may cost you a win.
Over the course of the year, playing 2 rucks will probably cost you more than 1 win.

Play the odds, play 1 ruck.

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #56 –
How did Cripps break his nose?  Ch 7 missed it...
"...that's the thing about opinion - you don't have to know anything to have one..."  Andre Agassi commenting on Pat Cash 2004
"...the less you know - the more you believe..." - Bono 2006

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on


Is Lachie neale a protected species or what?  He holds scraps and hits off ball all the time and whilst opponents do it to him, he is happy to dish out.  Watch George Hewett get a suspension for that hit.




Including pushing Kennedy into crippas legs and potentially breaking both of crippas legs, early on

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #58 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on
Fagan decidedly unimpressive in the presser - a lot of stats…. I know they don’t give much to the journos, but all he did was read out stats, no feel for the what happened or why
Struck me similarly. No acknowledgement of us and how we played.
His use of stats was a red herring as they were amortized over the entire game and boosted enormously by their dominant first qtr and a half. Not a very classy presentation from Fagan.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 0 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Brisbane

Reply #59 –
Quote from: Milhanna13 – on

Including pushing Kennedy into crippas legs and potentially breaking both of crippas legs, early on
wins free kicks for looking in his direction too
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson