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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide

Reply #46 –
Quote from: RiverRat – on
Might prove to be a useful sub

We’ve had Durdin and Fantasia as the sub in the last two games and it looks like it’s Durdin’s turn this round. 

Raz was good when he came on last week and he is noticeably more vocal than our other forwards.  Perhaps that’s part of the reason he’s in the 23.

I quite like the idea of a small forward as the sub and I expect that we’ll see Durdin, Fantasia and even Motlop in the sub vest throughout the season.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide

Reply #47 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Not sure TDK is going that great....didnt think he dominated vs Nth and his opponent Xerri who could be described as awkward at best matched him in the ruck and was better in the clearances and contested work. Think both of them took one mark for the game each....
Im not paying TDK a zillion a year based on that effort and imho he is a tad overrated for what he delivers....I preferred his game when Pittonet would spend the first half softening their opponents up and TDK would take over later in the game and be more dominating....

TDKs ruck craft is lacking.....its always been lacking.
However, TDKs around the ground work was where he was supposed to 'pay off' and that is what has lifted to a level we all hoped.
He hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but he is a step above where he was last year.

Can we get more out of TDK if we have Pitto in the side. Absolutely. 1-2 combo punch between them gives us a more dominant ruck combo.
Is the team better off as a whole by the increased ruck stocks? Keeping in mind a whole other player is not picked as a result, probably a Fogarty, Durdin, Fantasia type misses out. We lose our run and pressure, which i think is our key.
Of course the added benefit is the confidence boosting we are getting by letting Harry run free as backup ruck as well.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide

Reply #48 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
TDKs ruck craft is lacking.....its always been lacking.
However, TDKs around the ground work was where he was supposed to 'pay off' and that is what has lifted to a level we all hoped.
He hasn't hit his ceiling yet, but he is a step above where he was last year.

Can we get more out of TDK if we have Pitto in the side. Absolutely. 1-2 combo punch between them gives us a more dominant ruck combo.
Is the team better off as a whole by the increased ruck stocks? Keeping in mind a whole other player is not picked as a result, probably a Fogarty, Durdin, Fantasia type misses out. We lose our run and pressure, which i think is our key.
Of course the added benefit is the confidence boosting we are getting by letting Harry run free as backup ruck as well.

That's probably the one/two ruck debate in a nutshell.
Is it more beneficial to play two rucks or one?

It's dependent on a number of factors and variables.

1) Are Pitto and TDK uninjured and in form?
2) Who is Pittonet or Tom being replaced by?
3) What skills and abilities does the player replacing the ruckman bring to the side.
4) Does the extra 'run' from one player contribute more than a two pronged ruck attack

These are questions that can't always be easily answered.
An extra player replacing the ruckman would no doubt be a fringe player.
Many of our fringe players are actually role players, in the side for specific tasks.

When Walsh is available....
It won't be a choice between Walsh and Pittonet.
It will come down to a choice between Pittonet and a fringe player.

What impact can a fringe player can have on the outcome of a game.
There may be an advantage in some games, but surely not every game.
So each game must be looked at in terms of the best side, matching up against opposition strengths and weaknesses.

In respect of Harry doing the second rucking work....it's working well three games in.
Will it be working well 20 games in, or will Harry suffer the same fatigue and stress, that Jack Silvagni experienced when called upon to perform that role.

The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide

Reply #49 –
Quote from: Lods – on
Will it be working well 20 games in, or will Harry suffer the same fatigue and stress, that Jack Silvagni experienced when called upon to perform that role.

The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
The risk is immensely disproportional to the benefit of those two options. I'd say they deliver about the same in terms of 2nd ruck, at least at the moment, but on the risk side one is a Coleman medallist entering his prime the other a useful utility on the fringe of the 22.

Quote from: Lods – on
The thing is we have options, we have the ability to manage players.
We can rotate them around, even rest them if the oppostion doesn't require them to perform a role that week.
What we do week to week depends far more on the opposition list than the capabilities and combinations of our own list, how well our team is managed by the MC will determine the fate of our team's 2024 campaign.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle in Adelaide

Reply #50 –
Owies the sub.