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Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #75 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Jackson was the inform ruckman heading into our clash, he was Brad Johnson's rolling AA ruckman last week.

Jackson is currently rated as the tenth best player in the AFL.  At worst, De Koning broke even with him.  A more nuanced assessment would recognise that De Koning had significantly more impact on the outcome of the game than Jackson did, even allowing for Jackson's brain fade hitout that resulted in Cottrell's mark and goal to put us in front.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #76 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Jackson is currently rated as the tenth best player in the AFL.  At worst, De Koning broke even with him.  A more nuanced assessment would recognise that De Koning had significantly more impact on the outcome of the game than Jackson did, even allowing for Jackson's brain fade hitout that resulted in Cottrell's mark and goal to put us in front.
Jackson usually does his best work around the ground, but Tom nullified that totally. It was Tom who took the important marks, not Jackson.
However, Tom's ruckwork probably wasn't as good as Jackson's on the day. Freo seemed to have 'worked out' our midfield structure and limited it.

Tom can be happy with his day's work, but not the way our midfield functioned.
Live Long and Prosper!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #77 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
If I hear that we were 'lucky' again, I'll tear off my own ears! If you want to talk 'lucky', how about Freo getting 66% of their goals from frees... some there, some not. The end.

We've been 'lucky' in our last 7 games decided by 10 points or less: 7-0.

If each of them were genuinly 50-50 results (a toss of the coin) then for 7 tosses of the coin to go your way you are looking at odds of 1 in 128 or 0.78% chance of happening.

Perhaps its not all about luck.
 

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #78 –
Just quietly we have won 15 of our last 17 games. One of the 2 losses was a dead rubber.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #79 –
Fyfe’s hit on Fog did result in a broken wrist.  Can he still be cited for making contact with Fog’s hand with his shoulder?

I think they’re saying two weeks for Fog’s wrist but I suspect it will be longer.  We’ll miss his relentless pressure but it gives someone else an opportunity.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #80 –
Coaches votes were a bit weird...
Round 4 votes:

8- Andrew Brayshaw (FRE)

5 - Hayden Young (FRE)

4 - Jacob Weitering (CARL)

4 - Charlie Curnow (CARL)

4 - Jordan Clark (FRE)

3 - Caleb Serong (FRE)

1 - James Aish (FRE)

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #81 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Fyfe’s hit on Fog did result in a broken wrist.  Can he still be cited for making contact with Fog’s hand with his shoulder?

I think they’re saying two weeks for Fog’s wrist but I suspect it will be longer.  We’ll miss his relentless pressure but it gives someone else an opportunity.

It's not a coincidence Fogarty came into the side 17 games ago.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #82 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
It's not a coincidence Fogarty came into the side 17 games ago.

16, but who's counting.

Fogarty is 14-2 since coming into the side R14 vs Gold Coast which started our run.
Cuningham also came into the side at the same time and has missed the odd game, but is 13-1 over that same time period (dropped for the prelim final!)

These blokes add pressure.
Without them, we, yep, lack the same kind of pressure.

Its not rocket science.

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #83 –
You're correct Fogarty missed Rd 23 against the Suns up there.

Carlton are 15-2 since rd 14 last year.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #84 –
Fans will never agree, but for me it's hard evidence that the 24x7 unspectacular and unfashionable stuff that the likes of Cottrell, Owies, Fogarty, Hewett, Kennedy and Cunningham bring is far more valuable than the flash in the pan highlights some others offer.

Fans tend to remember the highlights, the stuff that stands out, without even noticing the grunt work that made it happen.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #85 –
Quote from: LP – on
Fans will never agree, but for me it's hard evidence that the 24x7 unspectacular and unfashionable stuff that the likes of Cottrell, Owies, Fogarty, Hewett, Kennedy and Cunningham bring is far more valuable than the flash in the pan highlights some others offer.

Fans tend to remember the highlights, the stuff that stands out, without even noticing the grunt work that made it happen.

Some supporters perhaps, but certainly not all or even most.

Carlton players who only offered flash in the pan highlights would be running around in the Magoos.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #86 –
We need to be educated by players and coaches in the current system.

Selwood taught me something last week that I had never heard or thought of before. Adelaide were coming back against Melbourne but the clock was working against them. With about 4 minutes left Selwood said Adelaide will have to "Something" tackle. (I forgot the word). He went on to explain it was like half tackling, they couldn't afford the dead balls. Deliberately not committing to a tackle to keep the ball moving so you have a chance of winning.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #87 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
We need to be educated by players and coaches in the current system.

Selwood taught me something last week that I had never heard or thought of before. Adelaide were coming back against Melbourne but the clock was working against them. With about 4 minutes left Selwood said Adelaide will have to "Something" tackle. (I forgot the word). He went on to explain it was like half tackling, they couldn't afford the dead balls. Deliberately not committing to a tackle to keep the ball moving so you have a chance of winning.
Yep I heard that it was auskick tackling.

It was largely because they had no stoppage dominate and stoppages took more time off the clock and advantaged gawn and the dees midfield. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #88 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
If I hear that we were 'lucky' again, I'll tear off my own ears! If you want to talk 'lucky', how about Freo getting 66% of their goals from frees... some there, some not. The end.
I'm disappointed that they keep referring to the 'touched' mark.  It wasn't, it was a mark.  There must be 5-10 marks in every game that are 'touched' but paid as marks - most pack marks have multiple hands on them, and as for smothering off the boot, umpires are always looking for hands doing that, not triceps.  They sure as hell are not allowed to look at slow-motion enhanced video from 3 different angles.

And the free that followed - Freo can own that completely.

So we weren't the thieves - just the club that is smart enough to play until the final siren rings and take its chances along the way.



This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 4 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Fremantle

Reply #89 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
Jackson usually does his best work around the ground, but Tom nullified that totally. It was Tom who took the important marks, not Jackson.
However, Tom's ruckwork probably wasn't as good as Jackson's on the day. Freo seemed to have 'worked out' our midfield structure and limited it.

Tom can be happy with his day's work, but not the way our midfield functioned.

I posted this in RR’s “Apparent improvement by umpires” thread but it’s relevant here too;

“A quick analysis of the centre bounces from our game.

The ball was bounced 20 times and was thrown up once for a 666 warning.  17 bounces were perfect, two deviated slightly from the vertical (De Koning got both hitouts) and one was recalled when McKay and Jackson couldn't get near it.  De Koning won 12 hitouts and got one clean possession, Jackson won three hitouts and McKay won two.  There were no free kicks for ruck infringements and I didn't see anything that warranted a free kick.  Not a bad day's work by the umpires ... and Tom.”
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!