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Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #60 –
Our offence is fine, it's our all over the ground defence.
Fogarty was ranked the best pressure forward in the comp and since we have lost him we have conceded  100, 98 and 118 points.

The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder  for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #61 –
Quote from: LP – on
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?

Watching the replay is infuriating, all those little moments go against us, we probably missed out at least 5 or 6 free kicks in and around our HFF in just a half of footy, incidents where the Handbaggers just held onto the footy after trying to break a tackle, dropped it cold, or just threw it away. Our tacklers were not rewarded at all!

Clarkson complained about this in 2016 when they were knocked out of the finals by the dogs. He asked how can you have 100 tackles and not one holding the ball? What is the point in tackling?
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #62 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
The likes of Carrol and Durdin offer no pressure which makes it harder  for Acres, Cottrell and Hollands to give chase. Which makes it hard for Williams, Kemp and Cowan to defend.
I suppose injuries are forcing our hand, but I still don't understand subbing Owies and keeping Durdin, Carroll and adding Binns.

We are missing Fogarty, and probably Cunningham as well, but rather than sub Owies I'd have subbed Durdin or Carroll and sent Owies further up the field. Unless of course there are reasons, maybe Owies is not 100% fit. Early this season and last season, it was Owies you'd find on the last line body on body with an opponent.

Even so, I don't understand the change from the GWS to the Handbaggers game, maybe the GWS game took more out of our lot than we realise.

Cowan's first couple of games back weren't too bad, but he turned it into a hot potato a lot, Cincotta is a bit unlucky.

I don't understand Young.

But then again I don't understand a skied ball inside F50 and all our forwards crowding around the fall of the ball 35m out and watching it bounce.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #63 –
Quote from: pinot – on
Zac Williams gave up four goals through poor defending and turn over.
Newman is out of form and not close checking.
Lost same way as we did against Adelaide lack of run and speed in transition with two rucks.
Williams is not a defender per se', we all know that and Chris Scott exploited it to perfection. Unfortunately, his team mates (in defence) let him down by lack of support. Zac is a creative run and carry HB with good disposal skills, yesterday he was taken to places he just didn't want to go to. He and his team mates will review it and learn. The key to a premiership is a solid, consistant back 6 or 7, whilst we are treading water at the minute, we aren't are premiership threat right now due to the disruption of the defensive unit. Once we get them back and they can regain their cohesion and consistency, then will we see if we are contenders or not.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #64 –
In hindsight, we might have been better off having Charlie run with Cameron for a one on one all over the ground and force Cameron to go with him. Weiters has Hawkins covered, Charlie is a good match size and aerobically for Cameron.

We still have BigH, TDK and Cripps to push into F50, but stop Hawkins and Cameron and the Handbaggers look much more limited for options. I don't know how many of the Handbagger scores started with a Cameron involvement from somewhere outside the arc, but I'd assert it was plenty.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #65 –
We had ample scoring opportunities to win the game anyway  but just blew too many of them.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #66 –
Midfield is great best in the competition
Key forwards best in the competition

Unfortunately it takes a team to win games and not individuals.

Not so much interested who will be chopped but rather who is Cincotta and Cerra going to replace and potentially Cunners.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #67 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Explain to me how the whole Southern Stand saw Williams get coat hangered but not one of the 4 umpires saw it? That turned the game back in their favour.

Not sure if you saw the replay or not, but i wouldn't have paid it from the replay, and if i was Vossy, i would be tearing strips of Williams for diving and giving them a goal as a result.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #68 –
I don't know what Cincotta has done or said but his card appears to be marked. I think i had him in my best 22 at the start of the year or at least next in line. He has been an emergency just about every game, and it doesn't how many injuries we get, he still remains an emergency.

Honestly, i would've preferred him in the side over Young yesterday, and that is saying something with the twin towers they had there.
Young loses his opponent too many times, and that costs us goals. Kemp and Weitering don't lose their opponents half as much, and even if they did we'd still be better off with the extra run we'd get by not having Young as a hinderence in that area.
McGovern provides exactly that, and Cincotta is a poor mans McGovern.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #69 –
Quote from: LP – on
Why can the likes of Tuohy or Guthrie take the footy run 2 or 3 steps, be tackled and then just hold onto to it unpenalised, but Hewett or Acres does that and it's holding the ball?

The constant just holding onto the ball without trying is furiating to watch.......but thats what happens with the 'no prior' rule.

I keep banging on about it, but remove that rule and that doesn't happen.

Players can't simply cause a stoppage because they want to by not attempting to move the ball on. THAT needs to be penalised, but current rules don't allow it.

Remove 'prior' and that immediately disappears. Players are handballing/kicking/slapping/punching/tapping the ball on rather than simply hatching it.
AFL won't do it, because they are too slow to see/fix trends and justify their own existence, but i'm telling you, the game would be much better for it.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #70 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
I don't know what Cincotta has done or said but his card appears to be marked. I think i had him in my best 22 at the start of the year or at least next in line. He has been an emergency just about every game, and it doesn't how many injuries we get, he still remains an emergency.

The problem that's now been created is that he hasn't been playing football on a regular basis for a while now at any level...so will essentially come in cold.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #71 –
Nothing in any proposed rule changes can stop the asymmetry, the problem is not a rule the problem, it's that some teams basically badger and batter officials until things fall their way.

A great example is happening today, rather than the AFL media focussing on Handbaggers continually infringing off the ball, the Handbagger mafia is at play beating up a storm about Williams staging for a free? The AFL media has largely ignored the act of holding 20m off the footy, it's a smokescreen by the Handbaggers, who are desperate to escape a focus on their off the ball activities.

Another great example came from yesterday, Cripps continually gets coated hangered by opponents and while he get's some frees he probably deserves twice as many. He hunts the footy, puts his head over the ball and get's grabbed over the shoulder, the bloke is 195cm, most have to reach up to grab his shoulders! It's bizarre in an era in which the head is supposed to be protected.

Fans forget, when the Handbaggers do the fast break, it leaves opponents loose all over the ground, if the opposition force a turnover they are left vulnerable, so they get away with it by nefarious off the ball tactics that stop opponents finding or closing space.

We have more AFL umpires out on the ground than every before, how can it be they don't see the illegal holds and shepherds that allow the Handbagger Dad's Army to remain competitive? Those illegal checks and grabs, basically keep opponents close enough for the Dad's Army to impose pressure and slow the transition if they lose the footy. They also stop our own defence closing space when you turn it over yourself. Some fans have bought into it, but the reality is by the time Williams extricates himself from the arm drag it's too late, he's been illegally stopped / delayed and the opposition have 10m of clear space, so he has no choice and it didn't just happen once or just to Williams.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #72 –
Quote from: Lods – on
The problem that's now been created is that he hasn't been playing football on a regular basis for a while now at any level...so will essentially come in cold.

Gotta bite the bullet sometime.

Couldn't have been any worse than Binns was......which is to be expected as a debutant....but it fills a need.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #73 –
Quote from: LP – on
Nothing in the rule changes can stop the asymmetry, the problem is not a rule the problem is that some teams basically badger and batter officials until things fall their way.

A great example is happening today, rather than the AFL media focussing on Handbaggers continually infringing off the ball, the Handbagger mafia is at play beating up a storm about Williams staging for a free? The AFL media has largely ignored the act of holding 20m off the footy, it's a smokescreen by the Handbaggers, who are desperate to escape a focus on their off the ball activities.

Fans forget, when the Handbaggers do the fast break, it leaves opponents loose all over the ground, if the opposition force a turnover they are left vulnerable, so they get away with it by nefarious off the ball tactics that stop opponents finding or closing space.

We have more AFL umpires out on the ground than every before, how can it be they don't see the illegal holds and shepherds that allow the Handbagger Dad's Army to remain competitive?

You consistently seem to miss the point of removing the rule.
It doesn't fix every decision in the game.
It doesn't solve world hunger.
It doesn't cure cancer.

It fixes players/teams using it as a tactic to cause stoppages instead of trying to continue the play. Thats it.
Remove it, and that tactic goes with it.

The knock on from there is a much more free flowing game with more of a one-on-one focus because the ball will be pinging around so quickly (due to less stoppages) that teams will be found out if they don't man up. Leaving your man behind will be high risk, low reward.
In turn, that will help defensively with turnovers if you start with a more defensive mindset to begin with.

Currently, its attack at all costs and if it doesn't go your way, hatch the ball, cause a stoppage and reset.

Re: AFL Rd 7 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Geelong

Reply #74 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
TDK  in an interview interview told of how when Charlie calls "iso", he wants them to clear the space and give him room (ie I assume iso means isolate). For me, divulging tactics in the media in any way shape or form is a no no. I get it, opo coaches know stuff about you already, but let them find it out themselves, dont give the info to them. Attention to detail.

Or be clever. Charlie calls "iso" and we kick it to Harry.