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Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #75 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
Let's not kid ourselves, Moir is 10,000 miles off. Needs a heap of development in so many areas and is being given time to do that. Fast tracking our high draft picks is 'old Carlton' done in desperation in the past (a small number of exceptions) and ruined a number of careers.

Surely Moir can do what Fantasia does? Even I can.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #76 –
I wonder how many of us are kind of nervous about the announcement of our team for tomorrow night? I know I am. What will the MC do? Gulp. If I see Fantasia in the 23 I'll implode.

Fingers crossed for Chugga in the starting 22, Martin in & Kemp in.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #77 –
Not sure what you expect from Fantasia. We only had 38 inside 50s and had 12 goals from it which is a good return.

Say you swap Martin for Fantasia last week. Jack might kick 2 but Owies might only get 1. Jack might be too gassed to chase his man meaning others have to leave theirs. Collingwood score more.

Not everyone forward is going to get lots of the ball and kick goals.

We didn't lose because of Orazio.

We lost because Collingwood had a plan.

They blocked Cripps at every stoppage. They showed this on the Sunday footy show.

David King showed how they dragged Weitering out of the play. Even showed him being held on the ground for just long enough do he couldn't get back to help his defenders.


2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #78 –
Quote from: townsendcalling – on
Let's not kid ourselves, Moir is 10,000 miles off. Needs a heap of development in so many areas and is being given time to do that. Fast tracking our high draft picks is 'old Carlton' done in desperation in the past (a small number of exceptions) and ruined a number of careers.

Yes, Moir needs to play more consistent footy before being considered for senior selection … and there’s no hurry.

Binns has benefited from being allowed to develop his craft in the Magoos and is way ahead of Moir.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #79 –
Regardless of Fantasia's influence or opportunities last game, we are getting next to nothing out of him.

It's borders on bizarre that some fans want the likes of Williams, Owies or Durdin dropped, but want to retain Fantasia.

I admit I was unconvinced by Fantasia at the start of the season, I probably didn't give him a fair chance, then two weeks back he fooled me because he became more involved around the contest without really getting any significant footy. I thought he was on a better trajectory. However, a week later against the Filth was it for me, Fantasia is cooked.

He'll need a 20+ possession 3 or 4 goal game just to get back to scratch in my ratings, and it's probably best if it happens in the VFL.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #80 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Binns has benefited from being allowed to develop his craft in the Magoos and is way ahead of Moir.
I can't see Binns or Carroll giving us less match influence than Fantasia, I don't understand our selection at the moment, there are obviously skills, tasks and strategies we can't see.

Maybe Fantasia is living on the fact he is not making any mistakes, but it is probably because you actually have to do something to make an error! Not sure how long he can survive while directing traffic.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #81 –
Martin is a 3rd tall in our forward line with no JSOS down there and is a marking target as well as a creative ground player.
Orazio and Durdin are traditional small forwards only so different players to Martin imho and not competing for the same position. I think Martin also makes  life easier for Charlie and Harry as that alternative target.
The player being missed is Fogarty who provides the extra pressure you need as the modern forward.
Playing both Orazio and Durdin in the same team doesn't work....

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #82 –
Carroll played Fantasia's role against Geelong. Had 7 touches and was dropped.

The high half forward role is a tough gig. A lot of hard running for little reward as you're in no man's land.

Cottrell isn't getting the numbers he used to, he's not out of form  just playing a role where kicks are harder to come by.

What does Zac Williams bring to the team?

Can't be trusted one on one and he's not providing much rebound.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #83 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Not sure what you expect from Fantasia. We only had 38 inside 50s and had 12 goals from it which is a good return.

Say you swap Martin for Fantasia last week. Jack might kick 2 but Owies might only get 1. Jack might be too gassed to chase his man meaning others have to leave theirs. Collingwood score more.

Not everyone forward is going to get lots of the ball and kick goals.

We didn't lose because of Orazio.

We lost because Collingwood had a plan.

They blocked Cripps at every stoppage. They showed this on the Sunday footy show.

David King showed how they dragged Weitering out of the play. Even showed him being held on the ground for just long enough do he couldn't get back to help his defenders.

And some critical umpiring decisions helped their cause as did an uncharacteristic lapse by Sam Walsh.

I wouldn’t rely too much on David King’s analysis.  He does tend to take an isolated incident or two and concoct a convincing scenario.  If we had won, he would have shown footage of our “tactics”.

The only criticism I have of Fantasia is for missing that shot at goal.  He doesn’t get many opportunities and he should make the most of every one.  Apart from that, he works hard, gets back in defence and makes his opponent accountable. 

"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #84 –
I would tend to agree DJC. The idea that stopping Cripps goes a long way to stopping Carlton is hardly new. Collingwood didn’t discover anything new. Cripps has been blocked, tagged and scragged his whole career. For whatever reason, we weren’t able to do anything about it.  The coaches’ votes make pretty clear that apart from Nick Daicos, no player on either team had a particularly great game. 

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #85 –
Nup.  That kick from Harry was aimed at one of the small forwards and they didn't even go for it.  Eight games in, I've seen enough.  Time to $#@! Off the passengers. 
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #86 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Martin is a 3rd tall in our forward line with no JSOS down there and is a marking target as well as a creative ground player.
Orazio and Durdin are traditional small forwards only so different players to Martin imho and not competing for the same position. I think Martin also makes  life easier for Charlie and Harry as that alternative target.
The player being missed is Fogarty who provides the extra pressure you need as the modern forward.
Playing both Orazio and Durdin in the same team doesn't work....

"The player being missed is Fogarty who provides the extra pressure you need as the modern forward."

Correct!! He provides what others fail to produce. Get Fogarty and Martin back into the forward line (as we had at the end of last year) and watch the ripple effect take place.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #87 –
For me, Kemp comes in and gets first shot at Fritsch. He's got pace to go with him and match him in the air.

If McGovern and Martin pass fitness tests, play them. We might need one of the ruckmen pushing back when Gawn goes forward so Martin offers some marking ability forward. Martin isn't and has never been a high possession player......but surely offers more than Fantasia at the moment. But one more soft tissue injury this season for him and that's just about it.

IN:  McGovern, Martin, Kemp
OUT:  Young, Williams, Fantasia

I think Cincotta stays in.

Young just looks completely lost out there at the moment and is a panic merchant when he gets the ball. Williams was good early in the season with his kicking and run, but last week I lost count of how many panic dump kicks he did out of defence.

And one of Carroll or Binns as the sub.

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #88 –
At the ground, I saw Fantasia working back to cover Steele Sidebottom and giving Cotters a chop out.

Hes not amazing, but him and Durds were both getting up the ground a significant way.  Owies I like, hes dangerous.  The problem we had was probably more to do with our forward entries and where the ball was being put, rather than where the guys were and werent getting to. So many times, the ball was being rebounded, because we kicked to a contest where we were outnumbered.  The collingwood backs were working up and down the ground all day, and they had 2 additional days break to do so.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 9 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Melbourne

Reply #89 –
I don't really get the criticism of Lewis Young.  He might provide a few heart in mouth moments but I thought that he defended very well against Collingwood and did the job on Cox and Cameron when they went forward.

Only two of Young's eight marks were contested but he led the way for us with nine 1%ers and only Nic Newman had more intercepts.  On top of that, he only had one turnover for the game, not bad for a "panic merchant".

I imagine that Weitering will take Van Rooyen and we'll need another tall KPD to go with Petty and Gawn when he goes forward.

I wouldn't play Kemp on Fritsch.  Fritsch is too elusive and would exploit Kemp when he provides the extra at marking contests.
"Negative waves are not helpful. Try saying something righteous and hopeful instead." Oddball