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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #30 –
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #31 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.

I agree there is nothing better to bring in, Ollie's attacking game is ok, Im probably more concerned about his defensive side and opponents getting off the leash but he is still a newbie with upside so that should improve.  Id even be trying him as a small forward and seeing if he can give us something more than the present occupants of those positions.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #32 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.

I saw one part where he was 'chasing' Warner down the wing, and he was truly in second gear at best.  

That's the problem with so many of the team atm - not bad when they've got the ball, but almost disinterested when they don't.........
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #33 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
I saw one part where he was 'chasing' Warner down the wing, and he was truly in second gear at best. 

That's the problem with so many of the team atm - not bad when they've got the ball, but almost disinterested when they don't.........

Without knowing the incident you are talking about i can't really comment too much.

However, i do know that Hollands (with Walsh and Cottrell) do more km's a match than everyone else in the team.
Same group do more 'repeat sprints' than anyone else as well.
So its definitely possible that that what you witnessed could've come after some big runs/sprints that took a bit of the sting out of his legs and did not have a chance to recover.

Had you pointed the same out about just about anyone else, then more than likely it would be nothing more than effort. With Hollands though, it could be more about exhaustion more than effort.

Perhaps he needs to be smarter with his running and running patterns so he does not fall in a hole when we need him, not sure.

I just know that i'd be pointing the finger at plenty of others before i got to him.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #34 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
However, i do know that Hollands (with Walsh and Cottrell) do more km's a match than everyone else in the team.
For me the only thing we need Ollie to polish up on is his disposal, making quicker decisions so he is not getting pegged with the footy, and hitting more targets. Even so his DE% isn't too bad, but once or twice a game he has a shocker that costs us on the turnover.

I'd love to see some Diesel sessions with some of our blokes to get the handball crisp and decisive.

I won't mentioned who my preferred out would be, it seems to be an emotional issue for some.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #35 –
From the SEN Website re Friday's game.
Nothing new here....
What they got wrong
Carlton’s midfield is too slow
Sydney isn’t the first team to exploit Carlton when they play all of Cripps, Kennedy and Hewett, but it was particularly evident on Friday night.
The Swans did as they pleased at centre bounces and when the ball went their way, they were off to the races.
Carlton clearly noticed the issue, trying Corey Durdin on-ball at stages, but that’s not the answer either.
The Blues need more dynamic players in the middle and Elijah Hollands is surely the one to receive a few opportunities in Adam Cerra’s absence.
Too many forwards don’t touch the footy
Corey Durdin and Orazio Fantasia both played full games of footy on Thursday night for a combined 10 disposals, four tackles and 0.1.
Tom De Koning also spent 80 per cent of the game forward as Marc Pittonet assumes full control of the ruck – De Koning had six disposals, one mark and didn’t hit the scoreboard.
Carlton needs to revamp their forward mix and needs desperately to hope Lachie Fogarty and Jesse Motlop are available to return this weekend.
The Blues also should go back to one ruckman and try to get their forward-half pressure game back, given it has dropped away significantly.
Nic Negrepontis

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #36 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.


Agree. Ollie is not a problem and while he is not perfect im far more concerned at the lack of defensive effort from the reigning coleman medalist.

He is lazy selfish and needs to improve that side of his game imo.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #37 –
Quote from: shawny – on
Agree. Ollie is not a problem and while he is not perfect im far more concerned at the lack of defensive effort from the reigning coleman medalist.

He is lazy selfish and needs to improve that side of his game imo.
Agree...been a bit of video footage on TV regarding his lack of second efforts and he needs to improve that part of his game.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #38 –
De Konig is another who seems to escape criticism.  When is the potential going to actually become something tangible?  Getting tired of waiting.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #39 –
We got beaten in the middle - they had two taggers basically - Rowbottom was on a tackling warpath and Jordan kept holding onto Walsh restricting him from hunting the ball. We didn't reciprocate with our own tagger(s) - Pitto had zero tackles and Grundy had a party on him. I understand we are trying to implement our own style but clubs have figured us out and taggers are now back in vogue.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #40 –
Quote from: pinot – on
We got beaten in the middle - they had two taggers basically - Rowbottom was on a tackling warpath and Jordan kept holding onto Walsh restricting him from hunting the ball. We didn't reciprocate with our own tagger(s) - Pitto had zero tackles and Grundy had a party on him. I understand we are trying to implement our own style but clubs have figured us out and taggers are now back in vogue.
I agree, Hewett is probably our main run with player and Kennedy can do the job as well as provide some drive but both Warner and Heeney have them for pace and once goalside with a break on our players they were not going to be caught.
The player we miss in the middle like I said before is Cerra who has a bit more toe and a bit more class and would have been a better match for Warner in particular and would have required both those Swans mids to pay attention to rather than being fully offensive players. When we have Cripps, Walsh, Kennedy and Hewett in the middle we can look slow on the chase as a few news articles have suggested, I'd like to see E. Hollands spend a bit more time in the middle and maybe do what a few other teams do and throw the odd different player in there..

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #41 –
I think we lost something when Ed retired and we pigeon holed Hewett into being our tagger, Hewett was more value when he wasn't shadowing opposition.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #42 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For a team that has consistently lacked run and effort lately, i'm not sure why people feel the need to drop Ollie Hollands.

He gives 100%, 100% of the time. He is not the problem.

If we start dropping people based on output, how far down our team do we get before we get to Ollie Hollands.....and how far down are VFL team to do we get before we find a replacement.
I'll save the effort. There is nothing better below. Ollie stays.


Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.

Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.

I understand the sentimentality of giving senior games to such a terrific kid with considerable running ability... but with cold objectivity it's obvious he needs a chance to develop more confidence in other areas of his game as he just isn't delivering hurt to the opposition with his disposals.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #43 –
Ollie did ok in the first half vs the dees the week prior though
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #44 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
Criticism of Ollie is not about his tireless effort. He runs and runs and runs... but not enough comes from all that effort. Acres runs and runs all day as well, with considerable impact in games.

Ollie needs, like many others, to commit his body to tackling, his tackling efforts have been and are a liability... easily broken. The only reason I recommend dropping Ollie to the Magoos is so he can learn to add other strings to his bow.
The problem that Ollie and others like him have is the focus on weaknesses that the AFL brings, if you hesitate opponents see it and forever more know, they know where to stand and what to say to put doubts in your head, it's the sporting equivalent of a game of chicken and they know you've blinked before.

All AFL players have to continually improve their shortcomings, expect every opponent to know them, and if there is no improvement expect those deficits to be amplified week in week out.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"