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Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #45 –
Quote from: LP on
Williams had significant game influence today, fans seem reluctant to give him credit where credit is due. For me his F50 success highlights a fundamental contributing cause of our failings over the last few weeks. How can it be a rookie SF like Williams gets in all the right spaces, while relatively more seasoned SFs like Fantasia, Owies and Durdin cannot?

Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #46 –
Quote from: crashlander on
Umpiring - I don't want to go there, but the numbers don't lie: we had 3 frees in three quarters of the game. That is just ridiculous.

The number of times I saw blokes take on the tackler, then get caught without a correct disposal, was considerable. Has been for weeks. Dropping the ball has also been diluted. Plenty of times over the weeks I've seen blokes, again take on the tackler, and the ball is dislodged in the tackle to fall without correct disposal by foot or hand resulting in play on or ball up.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #47 –
Quote from: Baggers on
Yep.

What Williams did as a small forward is probably what we were expecting/hoping from Fantasia, and Durdin. Opposition sides will put time into Williams now, so that's a hurdle to tackle. But what I really liked was his instinctual goal sense, and when it was time to hold the aggot in our forward line, his defensive work was front and centre. Ripper.

Should we find a fit and in form small forwards trio of Martin, Motlop & Williams... drool. As an opposition defense how would you like to have to quell Charles, H, Martin, Motlop & Williams? And add to that the hardness and tackling pressure of Fog... more drooling.

I’d rather Owies than Martin. At least owies plays a full season

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #48 –
Voss will hopefully always pick 22/23 that gives us the best chance of winning a game of footy, which will vary week to week based on injury, opposition match ups etc. If Martin and Owies are both available and competing for the same role, Martin will always get the nod, and rightly so. What happens at season's end in terms of list management is a whole other issue.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #49 –
Credit to TDK. He put the disaster that was last week behind him and put in one of his best games for us. With a lot of PBs to his name.

First time of over 20 touches, had 25!
15 contested possessions beats his previous best of 14.
10 clearances for the game. Previous best 9.
15 handballs beats his previous best of 11.
He also had 9 hitouts to advantage with you can't find bests for, but that would have to be right up there with his best if not his best as well.

That being said, he still had potential to do more. His opponent Witts couldn't keep up with him, so could've become more of a marking target around the ground for us by running off him a bit more.

It has reopened the old debate though. What do you do when you have 2 #1 rucks who don't have a second position. TDK up forward last week was embarrassing. Pitto has definitely played more consistently as the first ruck.

If Pitto is right next week, what do we do?
Both deserve #1 ruck. Both don't deserve to be relegated to the 2's. Both in the side is far from ideal.


 

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #50 –
Pittonet is the one who can't play anywhere else.

Why is TDK expected to be Buddy Franklin when he goes forward?





2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #51 –
I think we don't make too many changes next week.
Just go with Tom as the one ruck.

I really can see the benefits of both options.
It's why it's hard to come down in favour of just the one approach.

Horses for courses is OK, but making that judgement would take a fair bit of analysis.

The thing I need to see more of is... how either option works consistently against quality opposition.
If we'd gone with just one ruck against Sydney...how would we have fared?
Gold Coast in Melbourne wasn't quite the same level of difficulty...and that can distort comparisons.
Port in Adelaide will be a tough ask and if the one ruck works equally as well as it did yesterday that's a point in it's favour.

So, just the one next week.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #52 –
TDK tackles and takes marks and restricts opposition from winning quality clearances. He is Kreuzer on steroids except very durable. You can't play talents like that in other positions other than their preferred and most dynamic,

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #53 –
There's probably guys like Jacob Weitering who are one position players, but most everyone else needs to be able to play a few different roles, or so I keep hearing from all the experts. De Koning has developed his forward craft, and it needs to continue. Last year's premiers seem to have no issue with Darcy Cameron and Mason Cox in the same team.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #54 –
ZW gave some bite to our fwd line, I like him there. He and Motlop could well be a dangerous combination to complement H and Charlie.
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #55 –
Staggers me how ZW can get to the fall of the ball, yet blokes like Fantasia - supposedly a a specialist in that area of the game - can't.  Embarassing really.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #56 –
Quote from: madbluboy on
Pittonet is the one who can't play anywhere else.

Why is TDK expected to be Buddy Franklin when he goes forward?

It’s a bonus if your ruckman can get a goal or two when they rest forward.  They should be expected to keep a tall defender engaged and make life a little easier for the regular key forwards.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #57 –
Quote from: Professer E on
That snap for his fourth was a bit hungry, could have laid it off by hand.  Doesn't look a natural forward, but I'll take any goal we can get

There was no-one else in a better position and Williams had to take the shot.  How many times did we waste forward 50 entries with too many handballs and forwards not willing to seize the moment?
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #58 –
Quote from: LP on
Williams had significant game influence today, fans seem reluctant to give him credit where credit is due. For me his F50 success highlights a fundamental contributing cause of our failings over the last few weeks. How can it be a rookie SF like Williams gets in all the right spaces, while relatively more seasoned SFs like Fantasia, Owies and Durdin cannot?

I thought that Williams played with freedom and made his own luck.  Perhaps our regular small/medium forwards are too focused on performing defined roles to take a chance.

Of course, Williams is a very talented footballer whose skill set is similar to Jack Martin’s and a level above that of Owies, Durdin, Fantasia and Motlop.
“Why don’t you knock it off with them negative waves? Why don’t you dig how beautiful it is out here? Why don’t you say something righteous and hopeful for a change?”  Oddball

Re: AFL Rd 11 2024 Post Game Postulations Carlton vs Gold Coast

Reply #59 –
Much prefer him forward.
He takes risks, takes the game on, which can be costly in the backline, but an asset up forward. ;)
See how he goes in the weeks ahead.