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Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #75 –
Quote from: DJC – on
We laid 75 tackles last night and how many frees did we get for holding the ball?  Owies got one under the new interpretation but were there any others?

I believe that Port were awarded three holding the ball frees from 60 tackles.

Yep
I don't think the game was played differently at all.

I thought early on that Walsh was getting rid of the ball fairly quickly, but in the end he, Cripps and Curnow played exactly the same as they normally do.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #76 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
I don't understand the hostility towards Orazio.

The alternatives are many, but include Motlop......who kicked 4 goals against this mob as a late in last year. Kickd 2 goals or more 10 times last year as well....as a 19yo.

Meanwhile, this (soon to be) 29yo has kicked 2 goals in 10 games.....total

Still having trouble understand the hostility?

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #77 –
Motlop hasn't been available for weeks.  Durdin doesn't do much, so why be hostile to Fantasia? What other small forward is he keeping out atm ?
Reality always wins in the end.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #78 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The alternatives are many, but include Motlop......who kicked 4 goals against this mob as a late in last year. Kickd 2 goals or more 10 times last year as well....as a 19yo.

Meanwhile, this (soon to be) 29yo has kicked 2 goals in 10 games.....total

Still having trouble understand the hostility?



So seemingly by your definition it’s ok if he avoids sunburn by standing in H’s shadow, but slips out and kicks 2-3 ?
No one is lauding his form but he keeps getting picked, yeah we’ve got injuries to his competitors but he must be doing something to please the selectors.
Let’s go BIG !

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #79 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The alternatives are many, but include Motlop......who kicked 4 goals against this mob as a late in last year. Kickd 2 goals or more 10 times last year as well....as a 19yo.

Meanwhile, this (soon to be) 29yo has kicked 2 goals in 10 games.....total

Still having trouble understand the hostility?

Vossy reckons that Raz is performing the roles he's been set so, no, I don't understand the hostility, particularly since Motlop has only played in one VFL game where he didn't do much.

I'd prefer to see Motlop in the 23, but only if he's burning it up in the VFL.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #80 –
Suffice to say, I have no idea what tasks / roles the coaches assign to Orazio, so I have no idea whether he's meeting his KPI's etc. I can only speculate based on what I see and hear, limited as that is. Even if he is Motlop's understudy, he could still be doing everything the coaches ask. I have no way of knowing, and I'd be wary of becoming like one of the characters in Plato's Allegory Of The Cave.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #81 –
Fantasia is getting a game because Motlop has been injured and was poor in his return game, Martin is having his usual third of the season holiday and Durdin couldnt get a kick in a loaded horse float.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #82 –
...so he's the best we've got at the moment.

The fact that he was subbed out last night may mean that the ball is really in Motlop's court.
But he has to perform this weekend.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #83 –
On numerous occasions you see fantasia working up the ground.  Imho owies is who motlop is competing with, Williams has taken martin's role, and fantasia is in the team until cotters comes back.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #84 –
Just watched the replay. Of note:

- we made plenty of errors and were inconsistent (for 3q)
- we reset quickly and got stuck in
- remained composed for the most part
- effort was sensational
- we're becoming flexible and unpredictable
- fwd line finally cohesive, making rebounds difficult for oppo. Big boys spreading much better and smalls finding good position
- we're maturing in terms of adapting on the run and team cohesion
- shepherding, blocks 🙌
- Cincotta and ZW executed new roles to perfection
- youngsters developing nicely- Kemp, Moo, Ollie. Carroll - hard to tell as sub
- leaders led and we have many
- Vossy's a pro: coaching from the bench and giving intelligent pressers

A few minor disappointments
- MK had a fumbly night, but kept at it
- we need more midfield speed 
- as good as he's been, ZW needs to watch his flailing arms and overreactions (as it appears on tv)
- white is unbecoming and isn't navy blue

Go Blues

Coming together is the beginning.
Keeping together is progress.
Working together is success.
Henry Ford.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #85 –
Good win by the Blues. Good not to be worrying with ten minutes to go. Port is a good team but lack depth in their squad. Williams, Cincotta, Kemp and McGovern kicked six goals for the match. They were our backline a few weeks ago. Once again a small forward kicking goals. Who would have thought. Backline solid and structured and forwards more dangerous. Players like Walsh need to make better decisions when going forward. When the midfield gets on top they can be devastating. We seem to have more pace in the team, the players appear to have more buy in to the game plan and  our kicking and tackling has improved. Confident about Essendon. The team needs to improve in the second half of the year like last year which was the first time in over twenty years. Would like to make top four. Top two would be better.

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #86 –
Quote from: LoveNavy – on
Just watched the replay. Of note:

- we made plenty of errors and were inconsistent (for 3q)
- we reset quickly and got stuck in
- remained composed for the most part
- effort was sensational
- we're becoming flexible and unpredictable
- fwd line finally cohesive, making rebounds difficult for oppo. Big boys spreading much better and smalls finding good position
- we're maturing in terms of adapting on the run and team cohesion
- shepherding, blocks 🙌
- Cincotta and ZW executed new roles to perfection
- youngsters developing nicely- Kemp, Moo, Ollie. Carroll - hard to tell as sub
- leaders led and we have many
- Vossy's a pro: coaching from the bench and giving intelligent pressers

A few minor disappointments
- MK had a fumbly night, but kept at it
- we need more midfield speed 
- as good as he's been, ZW needs to watch his flailing arms and overreactions (as it appears on tv)
- white is unbecoming and isn't navy blue

Go Blues



Nice, LN.

Yes, also noticed that we can now make changes within games - no head-dropping when things don't go our way.
We're still a work in progress, but that progress, in game, is palpable with adapting and adjusting front and centre... this is new for us and really, really pleasing.
So glad we stuck with Moo down back and Williams up front. ZW is one of those rare 'small forwards' who only needs a sniff and split second opportunity to create a goal from bugger all.

Also not a huge fan of our away strip... not enough navy in it.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #87 –
Ports issues are the same as carltons from 2011.  Look great but lack the key position players to make a difference.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #88 –
Hinkley should have stuck a fork in Dixon and played Finlayson.  It’s a bit sad to see such a powerhouse going at half rat power but I suspect that Weiters didn’t mind.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 12 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Port Adelaide

Reply #89 –
Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Fantasia is getting a game because Motlop has been injured and was poor in his return game, Martin is having his usual third of the season holiday and Durdin couldnt get a kick in a loaded horse float.

Pretty much.

Fantasia is 'doing his role' is fine. But what was he doing that Durdin wasn't? Its certainly not kicking goals.
Going through all the stats show very similar.
Plenty have noted Durdin on the last line of defence, so he is clearly working hard as well.

My point about Motlop which most seem to have missed is that pure output wise, he is $hitting all over Fantasia, despite being 10 years younger.
Usually when you recruit a mature age player, you do so knowing that you'll get MORE output that the kids they are replacing.

Not the case with him.