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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #135 –
Did Charlie injury himself in the warm up or not??

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Reply #136 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Does the Toby Greene “studs up” rule apply to all players or just Toby?
I think the problem there was the boot ended up in someone's face, not their back.  We had a discussion about it on Saturday watching at a friend's place and we couldn't agree.  Many wanted it to be a free kick because you can't put studs up like that and I said I don't think that's the rule.  Would have been comfortable chalking it off as a free kick but I can't differentiate a knee from a foot in that circumstance. 

That's my problem with the in the back rule for what it's worth.  It's not about hands on the back, it's about unfairly pushing an opponent under the ball drop. 

Probably shouldn't have been paid at the time but thats a problem the umpiring and MRO creates when we focus too hard on outcome driven policy and not enough on action driven policy.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #137 –
Much of the rules made by the AFL are asymmetrical because it's driven by the media commentary, if a lowly defender did that to a power forward blokes like BT and Darcy would go berserk about it, the forward has to have a chance, you can't do that, it's illegal, but when it's a forward launching to they laud it as a great mark, terrific use of the body, he allowed to hold his ground, etc., etc..

You've heard it a thousand times before.

The question becomes, is that what the public want to see? If the AFL think the commentary is aligned to the public expectation, they'll make sure it happens.

Most fans though find the variability frustrating, we just want the rules the same for everybody, we don't want to see the superstar discounts.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #138 –
I noticed Darcy Moore put his knee away on Friday night.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #139 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I noticed Darcy Moore put his knee away on Friday night.
He's not a fool, he knows how reactive the AFL can be, and by the AFL I mean Christian's MRO.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #140 –
Quote from: LP – on
He's not a fool, he knows how reactive the AFL can be, and by the AFL I mean Christian's MRO.

I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!
 

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Reply #141 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.

Agree. He's a decent bloke and I bet he's been in personal contact with Petracca to apologise.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #142 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
Weitering doesn't need Lewis Young in the side but he provides us more flexibility if weiters goes down, as the others couldn't stop Hogan yesterday and he's not the biggest forward going around he's just capable.

All of it are fair points, but last night we could have played pittonet or Lewis Young instead of orazio, cotters, cincotta, and we likely lose little run out of it.  Maybe not both, but I think we need to consider that a bit. 
Fair points. 

Perhaps we should consider playing Lewis Young as the substitute to provide (break the glass in case of emergency) back-up in case we lose Weitering or TDK during the game.  Both were injured at various stages against GWS and our team balance was poor bad they were.

Anyone notice the similarity to the Swans game early in the season; both night games with slippery balls.  We dominated both games early then Weiters was injured and we fell in a hole.

Questionable value in having a small forward as substitute.

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Reply #143 –
There's going to be a gamble and risk / reward trade offs with most selections outside the first 10/12 players picked, the ones who are essentially automatic ins. Owies brings energy and spark and pace, and it's not unreasonable to think that on a wet track when legs are tiring (after a tough several weeks), that an injection of those qualities is wrong. I can only guess, but I suspect the MC thought we had enough scoring power without him in the 22, and with the benefit of hindsight, that would appear to be right. 104 points is an excellent score in the conditions, and will win you plenty of games of footy in 2024.

There's more than 1 right answer.

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Reply #144 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.
Yes, I agree, I wasn't implying he's dastardly character, just that the media screaming about raised knees in contests is loud at the moment.

fwiw; I doubt the AFL will be stupid enough to ban lifting the knee in marking contests, for the reasons @Lods has pointed out you'd basically put an end to the bulk of speccies.

btw; For me the more dangerous act is the Hogan style kick out, if that gets a player low enough in the back it is basically setting somebody up to be tunnelled falling flat on their back from a height. The knee in the marking contest usually forces the opponent to tip forwards.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #145 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
I think he's a good guy and would be mortified at the injuries he has caused.

Absolutely!
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #146 –
Hindsight is handy but I would have had Pitto, Hewett and Owies in the 22 for Cotters, O Hollands and Fantasia.

Briggs needs a bullocking opponent crashing into him to reduce his influence and the absence of De Koning and the hobbling Weiters wouldn't have been so critical.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #147 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Hindsight is handy but I would have had Pitto, Hewett and Owies in the 22 for Cotters, O Hollands and Fantasia.

Briggs needs a bullocking opponent crashing into him to reduce his influence and the absence of De Koning and the hobbling Weiters wouldn't have been so critical.
For me it's not so much about whether Weiters and TDK were effective after being injured, I think they did OK given the circumstance, but you could see even when we got the run on mid way through the 1st Qtr that GWS was gathering momentum, they just wasted opportunities and we made the most of them.

After TDK and Weiters worked their way back into the game, it was from a starting point too far back, I thought the signs were better late in the 3rd, but GWS were running down hill and we were trying to slam on the brakes.

Don't give the opposition a millimetre, not even for a split second, if you do then you will eventually regret it. Given our history of close games in recent seasons we should know this better than most.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Reply #148 –
Quote from: LP – on
For me it's not so much about whether Weiters and TDK were effective after being injured, I think they did OK given the circumstance, but you could see even when we got the run on mid way through the 1st Qtr that GWS was gathering momentum, they just wasted opportunities and we made the most of them.

After TDK and Weiters worked their way back into the game, it was from a starting point too far back, I thought the signs were better late in the 3rd, but GWS were running down hill and we were trying to slam on the brakes.

Don't give the opposition a millimetre, not even for a split second, if you do then you will eventually regret it. Given our history of close games in recent seasons we should know this better than most.

Weiters was obviously restricted in his movements and was reduced to just a very good defender.  However, he normally plays the entire game and was reduced to only 87% game time.  In addition, McGovern was off receiving treatment for a significant period.  We can cover McGovern but struggle to cover Weiters if he's off the ground or a touch off his game.

De Koning was fine when he came back after having his ankle strapped and bleeding stopped and he wasn't off the ground for much longer than his usual spells.  However, the timing was awkward and gave GWS a sniff.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

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Reply #149 –
Weitering wasn't even playing on Hogan at the start, not sure how they thought Kemp could handle him.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!