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Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #150 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Weitering wasn't even playing on Hogan at the start, not sure how they thought Kemp could handle him.
Agree.....Hogan is mature consistent KP Forward now and one of the best in the comp and demands our best
KP defender.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #151 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Weitering wasn't even playing on Hogan at the start, not sure how they thought Kemp could handle him.

Better to try it now, and know, then to try it for the first time in a final.

I suggested similar in the in-game thread. Are we at the stage where we start holding things back so we have something up our sleeve for finals. That is a perfect example.

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Reply #152 –
On reflection and in (the always clever) hindsight.

Cottrell coming in after a long lay off. Underdone. Passenger.
Owies as the sub. Wrong. Loss of an effective small forward with flair and attitude.
Dropping Hewett. Wrong. Loss of dependable hard-nut.
Cincotta starting outside the centre bounce... terrible decision in light of Coniglio doing much of his damage at the centre bounce.
(Was the MC also imbibing bath water?)


Understand we have a team balance thing, but that needs be a bit more flexible and imaginative. In light of Weiters carrying a corkie, why not throw him to FF and Charles down back (to get him into the game, FFS). Why not throw Ollie into a lockdown defensive role and move Boyd up into the action? Why not put Cincotta in the middle on Coniglio or Green and Walsh outside the square - give Walshies minder something to think about. The attitude that saw Williams go forward and Cincotta as a run-with shouldn't be the end of creativity.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

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Reply #153 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
On reflection and in (the always clever) hindsight.

Cottrell coming in after a long lay off. Underdone. Passenger.
Owies as the sub. Wrong. Loss of an effective small forward with flair and attitude.
Dropping Hewett. Wrong. Loss of dependable hard-nut.
Cincotta starting outside the centre bounce... terrible decision in light of Coniglio doing much of his damage at the centre bounce.
(Was the MC also imbibing bath water?)


Understand we have a team balance thing, but that needs be a bit more flexible and imaginative. In light of Weiters carrying a corkie, why not throw him to FF and Charles down back (to get him into the game, FFS). Why not throw Ollie into a lockdown defensive role and move Boyd up into the action? Why not put Cincotta in the middle on Coniglio or Green and Walsh outside the square - give Walshies minder something to think about. The attitude that saw Williams go forward and Cincotta as a run-with shouldn't be the end of creativity.

A few of us have mentioned the same thing in a more specific way.

But.....
Can anyone remember a single move Voss made for the night?

Was ANYONE tried in a different position?

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #154 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
A few of us have mentioned the same thing in a more specific way.

But.....
Can anyone remember a single move Voss made for the night?

Was ANYONE tried in a different position?

Long answer... nuh.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #155 –
Coaches' votes. A bit harsh IMO.

10 Jesse Hogan (GWS)
4 Kieren Briggs (GWS)
4 Callan Ward (GWS)
4 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Jack Buckley (GWS)
4 Brent Daniels (GWS)

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Reply #156 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
Coaches' votes. A bit harsh IMO.

10 Jesse Hogan (GWS)
4 Kieren Briggs (GWS)
4 Callan Ward (GWS)
4 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Jack Buckley (GWS)
4 Brent Daniels (GWS)

Hogan was definitely the best.

But he and Harry both kicked 5.

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #157 –
The Weitering situation would probably have been a challenge.
It would have been uncertain as to the the timing of his return, if at all. Corkies are like that...sometimes minutes, other times the match.
Weitering would arguably be the centrepoint of our total structure, certainly the backline.

The coach would be faced with a decision once he went off...
Do I change up the structure dramatically, perhaps weakening a strong area, or do I wait and see if Weitering's absence is only short term.
On those type of decisions can sometimes hang the result of a game

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Reply #158 –
Voss had to do something about the control GWS had in the midfield, we couldnt get the ball in the 2nd and 3rd quarter and when we did they took it off us and blitzed us with their pace. You either put a player like Charlie down back to limit the damage or you go to the source to try and alter the midfield battle.
Hogan was a good player but imho  it was Briggs and Bedford who did the damage by limiting TDK and Walsh........a couple of times now we have seen Walsh tagged out of games and Id be doing a McRae and moving Walsh to a half back flank like Collingwood do with Nick Daicos to get him involved and would have introduced Owies earlier for Fantasia or O. Hollands and thrown him in the middle to give us a different look and apply some pressure.

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Reply #159 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Hogan was definitely the best.

But he and Harry both kicked 5.
What happened to H? We lost by 2 goals, not 20.

It irks me to see Hogan kicking goals. On a fit Weitering, he'd be lucky to get 2.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Reply #160 –
Quote from: crashlander – on
What happened to H? We lost by 2 goals, not 20.

It irks me to see Hogan kicking goals. On a fit Weitering, he'd be lucky to get 2.
GWS might argue that if Taylor had played Harry might have only got 2 as well....

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #161 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
A few of us have mentioned the same thing in a more specific way.

But.....
Can anyone remember a single move Voss made for the night?

Was ANYONE tried in a different position?

Do coaches make significant positional moves these days … apart from Mitchell moving Hardwick into defence and losing to Port?

Our last quarter showed that we had the structure right.  It was more a case of players not contributing, perhaps because they were over confident after the first quarter, than a lack of positional moves.

If there’s any criticism of our coaching group, it should be focused on the messaging provided at quarter and half time.

It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 17 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs GWS

Reply #162 –
Quote from: DJC – on
Do coaches make significant positional moves these days … apart from Mitchell moving Hardwick into defence and losing to Port?

Our last quarter showed that we had the structure right.  It was more a case of players not contributing, perhaps because they were over confident after the first quarter, than a lack of positional moves.

If there’s any criticism of our coaching group, it should be focused on the messaging provided at quarter and half time.

There was a 75 point turnaround or something like that.
I get that coaches rarely.make.moves  nowadays but f*** me, surely you try something before it gets to that stage! To not do so is just sadistic.

For the life of me.i can't work out why Charlie didn't swing into defence. He's saved the day a few times doing that. Vossy has said he has a license to do it as he sees fit. WTF were we waiting for?
 

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Reply #163 –
Id disagree that coaches rarely make moves....McRae makes a lot and thats why Collingwood have a lot of comebacks and close games.

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Reply #164 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
For the life of me.i can't work out why Charlie didn't swing into defence. He's saved the day a few times doing that. Vossy has said he has a license to do it as he sees fit. WTF were we waiting for?
Charlie has a full 3rd of the ground in which he can roam and still stay within goal range, it's enough.

Sending Charlie Curnow to the other end of the ground out of range of goal is a win for the opposition.

Moves are of any value if they are stupid.
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