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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #45 –
A very decent team IMO. Hopefully De Koning and Weitering have been selected with all checks and balances in place. 

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #46 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
The “we’re all very clear on our role” mantra combined with a distinct lack of player development across multiple positions during the pre-season is now limiting our match-day flexibility and is keeping a very good player out of the side. Surely Hewett is a better bet than at least a couple of guys in that side in “their role”?

It’s great to know your role, but most of our guys should be able to walk and chew gum at the same time - Cincotta can. Why we haven’t trialled DeKoning at CHB or swapped Curnow and Weitering from time to time is bewildering. This week would be so much easier if it was Pitto in and TDK to CHB rather than Marchbank or Young.

The time to trial De Koning at CHB or swap Charlie and Weiters is during an internal match sim during the 2025 pre-season.  It would be a short term experiment because we want Charlie and Tom playing in their best positions; key forward and ruck.

We will need both Pitto and Tom to counter English and Darcy.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #47 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
A very decent team IMO. Hopefully De Koning and Weitering have been selected with all checks and balances in place.

The only reservation I have is George Hewett missing out.

McGovern looked like he has been carrying an injury and the time he spent getting treatment against GWS may have been critical.  Marchy is an ideal replacement and is more than capable of playing on Ugle-Hagan.  That should free Kemp up to provide help as needed.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #48 –
Marchbank in, that's scraping the bottom of the barrel. Dont like that selection one iota, must be giving farewell games if you believe the word on the BF street that he has told the club he will retire at seasons end.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #49 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The time to trial De Koning at CHB or swap Charlie and Weiters is during an internal match sim during the 2025 pre-season.  It would be a short term experiment because we want Charlie and Tom playing in their best positions; key forward and ruck.

We will need both Pitto and Tom to counter English and Darcy.

Flexibility heading into the finals is important -  we are now so reliant on Weitering as the others don’t cut the mustard on opp key forwards. If we don’t try players in different positions get ready for a repeat of the Hogan show every time Weiters gets injured.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #50 –
Quote from: JonDorotich – on
Flexibility heading into the finals is important -  we are now so reliant on Weitering as the others don’t cut the mustard on opp key forwards. If we don’t try players in different positions get ready for a repeat of the Hogan show every time Weiters gets injured.

We won the first two games of the season without Weitering.  Young played quite well as Weitering's replacement and he and Sam Durdin are much better key defender options than De Koning and Curnow will ever be, even if they spent the whole pre-season learning our defence structures and patterns.

Weitering was hobbled against GWS ... as were McGovern and De Koning, and our team defence didn't function for two quarters.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #51 –
Quote from: DJC – on
We won the first two games of the season without Weitering.  Young played quite well as Weitering's replacement and he and Sam Durdin are much better key defender options than De Koning and Curnow will ever be, even if they spent the whole pre-season learning our defence structures and patterns.

Weitering was hobbled against GWS ... as were McGovern and De Koning, and our team defence didn't function for two quarters.

We did win 2 without weitering. However, 1 of them is dead last in the ladder right now and the other was in worse form at the time due to imploding over the off-season.

Losing weitering is not just becoming an issue now, it's been an issue since he came.to the club and exacerbated ever since Jones walked out.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #52 –
There is a huge difference between a team selected without them compared to losing them in game due to injury. Fans are jerking their gherkin if they think a team can lose blokes like Weiters, TDK and McGovern in game and just expect others to cover them.

We were already probably carrying Kennedy who had zero time off form a MCL strain!

There is a lot of silly commentary going around, we basically had three KPP hobbling by 1/4-time, so it has an effect.

I fully expect some late changes this week.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #53 –
Quote from: LP – on
. Fans are jerking their gherkin if they think a team can lose blokes like Weiters, TDK and McGovern in game and just expect others to cover them.
Didn't you spend most of the week conplaining that "if we only had an extra kpp on the bench...."
Whereas some others were saying crap happens and you can't plan for such excessive amounts of disrupt I ins in 1 game.

....or have you forgotten already.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #54 –
Quote from: DJC – on
The only reservation I have is George Hewett missing out.

McGovern looked like he has been carrying an injury and the time he spent getting treatment against GWS may have been critical.  Marchy is an ideal replacement and is more than capable of playing on Ugle-Hagan.  That should free Kemp up to provide help as needed.

Same page here, David.

Like for like - Marchbank for Gov is logical. Although Young and tall Durds may have been performing better in the Magoos, Young/tall Durds for Gov would be silly. I liked tall Durds' game in the Magoos last week and am not surprised to see him as an emergency, insurance against Weiters not coming up.

Pitto in also makes sense. TDK up forward from time to time will provide the Dishlickers with another headache.

O Hollands as the sub, though I would have preferred Hewett or Motlop.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #55 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
We did win 2 without weitering. However, 1 of them is dead last in the ladder right now and the other was in worse form at the time due to imploding over the off-season.

Losing weitering is not just becoming an issue now, it's been an issue since he came.to the club and exacerbated ever since Jones walked out.

Brisbane’s form was variable at the start of the season but they had some decent wins, and Richmond did beat Sydney.

Of course Weitering is difficult to replace.  Not many teams have a second KPD worthy of All Australian selection in reserve, and particularly one that’s in the leadership group and is the defensive general.

We have settled on a defensive structure with Weitering as the gorilla minder (and leader) and smaller “hybrid KPDs” that are capable in the air, can provide run out of defence, and rely on team defence to help neutralise taller forwards.  Young and Durdin can mind gorillas, but don’t provide the offensive capabilities of McGovern, Kemp and, to a lesser extent, Marchbank.

We’ve lost Weitering twice during games this season, once when he was subbed off and last week when he was off for treatment and was restricted when he came back on.  It was a corked quad in both games and he may be susceptible to those soft tissue injuries.  In both games, his absence/restriction was significant. 

Having Young or Sam Durdin as the injury sub may have limited the impact of his loss/restriction.
It's still the Gulf of Mexico, Don Old!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #56 –
Carlton coach Michael Voss expects Charlie Curnow and Jacob Weitering to face the Western Bulldogs despite the Blues stars pulling up sore following the upset defeat to GWS.

Defender Mitch McGovern (hip flexor) has been ruled out for up to two weeks, but Curnow and Weitering will push through to play against the Bulldogs at Marvel Stadium on Saturday.

Dual Coleman medallist Curnow kicked just one goal against the Giants, while ace fullback Weitering was also limited after suffering a corked thigh early in the match.

“(Curnow) was certainly impacted last week, there’s no doubt about that,” Voss said on Friday.

“But he’s been able to train so he’s right to go.

“A bit unfortunate with a couple of knocks last week early in game with a couple of our boys, but they seem to have pulled up OK.

“Early in the week we weren’t 100 per cent sure but they were able to train (Thursday) and got through the training session so we expect them to play.”

Bulldogs coach Luke Beveridge isn’t buying it, saying he expects Carlton will make a late change to their line-up while suggesting he does not plan to do the same, despite queries over his back-line.

Ruck-forward Rory Lobb has again been named in defence alongside inexperienced tall Buku Khamis, with Alex Keath among the emergencies on his return from injury.

The Dogs’ defenders have taken “tips and hints” from how GWS back-man Jack Buckley tackled Curnow last week, and will look for help to contain fellow Blues talls Harry McKay and Tom De Koning.

“The way they’ve picked their emergencies with a midfielder and two small forwards, we sort of anticipate that maybe one of their bigs is coming out - otherwise they are quite tall in their front end,” Beveridge said.

“It will definitely be what’s happening from the 12 to 14 (players) up the field that are going to help our key defenders on those big boys.

“That’s priority No.1 for us - to make sure that our team defensive system works better than it has done last week.”

Carlton captain Patrick Cripps will run out for his 200th game, with Voss not ruling out the prospect of a head-to-head battle against fellow superstar Marcus Bontempelli.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #57 –
Just watching the Footy Feed Video in the AFL App talking the weekend's games. Said to look out for Charlie Curnow, who injured his ankle in the warm up last week. Didn't say he'd be out but just to watch out.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #58 –
Quote from: laj – on
Just watching the Footy Feed Video in the AFL App talking the weekend's games. Said to look out for Charlie Curnow, who injured his ankle in the warm up last week. Didn't say he'd be out but just to watch out.
Charlie slightly rolled his ankle in game 3 or 4 games back when he planted his foot on top of an opponents, somebody will know which game it was, but he came back on a ran out the game OK. I'd suggest he's been carrying a slight injury since then.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #59 –
Quote from: LP – on
Charlie slightly rolled his ankle in game 3 or 4 games back when he planted his foot on top of an opponents, somebody will know which game it was, but he came back on a ran out the game OK. I'd suggest he's been carrying a slight injury since then.
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