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AFL Rd 18 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Always a danger game for us.
Live Long and Prosper!
 

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Naughton with a concussion issue today I believe,  if that's the case then with 12 days out he misses next week

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Pretty simple:

In: Hewett, Cunners
Out: Ollie and Fantasia

Kennedy the sub - he’s versatile enough to cover mid/forward and back

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Its going to be a Porno.

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Quote from: pinot – on
Its going to be a Porno.
We can only hope.
Live Long and Prosper!

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Cripps 200th game.

We haven't had a great record for milestones in the past. Hopefully the boys can turn it on for Crippa

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Get Hewett and Owies back in.

2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Quote from: madbluboy – on
Get Hewett and Owies back in.


Agree with this 100% - the Selection Committee didn't cover themselves in glory last week, and it cost us a chance to really lock down top two.  Cottrell was so far off the pace - in my mind, there is only a small handful of players who come straight back in to the team after a long layoff, especially when we have fit alternatives. 
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Quote from: tex – on
Pretty simple:

In: Hewett, Cunners
Out: Ollie and Fantasia

Kennedy the sub - he’s versatile enough to cover mid/forward and back

Agree with the ins and outs but Kennedy is playing too well to be wasted as the sub - Cunners is a burst player who might provide a better option as the sub.

Hewitt should not have been dropped.

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Im not sure where this theory has come from that we can only play one of Hewett or Kennedy but not both together.
Imho we should play them both every week, as MBB suggested during the game and on his previous post it was an error leaving Hewett and Owies out and they need to come back in. Voss is a fan of Fantasia, Id be surprised if he is out of the 23.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Im not sure where this theory has come from that we can only play one of Hewett or Kennedy but not both together.
Imho we should play them both every week, as MBB suggested during the game and on his previous post it was an error leaving Hewett and Owies out and they need to come back in. Voss is a fan of Fantasia, Id be surprised if he is out of the 23.
@ElwoodBlues1 Yes, I suspect we have to suffer a lot more pain before a forced change occurs, losing one game to potentially reasonable opponent won't be enough.

My only real beef is how we got to this point based on the season and player performances so far, but of course as fans we do not know what instructions the MC have issued, maybe Hewett and Owies don't follow them! Maybe they are carrying some niggles, but based on how Owies went when he finally arrived on field I doubt he's playing sore.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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A few players might be sore , but assuming everyone comes up as seems to be the clubs position the players it seems to me under pressure to keep their spots this week are Fantasia Cottrell Kemp and O Hollands.  Possible ins (assuming Martin comes back via the 2s as he should) Binns, Carroll. Cunningham, S Durdin, Hewett, Lord,  Marchbank, Motlop, Pittonet, Wilson & Young.  .I can't see anyone else.  Hewett I think has to come back.  Of the other possible ins I would say no to Durdin and Marchbank on their performances in the 2s both this week and overall, likewise Motlop though he was much better this week.  Lord and Wilson impressive but want to see more of them.  I think Wilson not ready for firsts yet and Lord I just need to see more of.   Not a lot of hurt factor I suspect but a goer and works hard defensively which would help in the firsts.  Not quick though.  Binns and Carroll I don't think are much of an upgrade, good seconds players and deserve a look at at some stage, not this week for mine.  Pittonet I don't think against the dogs despite their height they don't have the crash and bash ruckman.  That leaves Cuningham and Young, both of whom have traits we need but issues that worry me.  Both were good against the Giants after being ordinary previously.  Both have shown they have the talent but not produced consistently.  But this week I would take the chance on both.  Cunners body holds up and he is an upgrade on most of our smalls.  Maybe as sub if concerned about his ability to run out a full game.  I think we need a second tall defender and we simply haven't been playing one.  It bit us badly against the Giants when Weiters was hampered and Kemp outsized as you would expect.  Perhaps should have tried McGovern or Weiters (despite the corkie) on Hogan but  really showed up the risk of going into a game with only 1 genuine key defender.  Problem is of course lack of a quality second option.  Marchbank more of a third tall again and looking a mile off it at the moment, Durdin has been a good seconds player but not looking in particularly good form at the minute and Young unrecognizable from his 2022 self, but did have a much better game this week.  I say seize the moment and give him a shot.  He also is a relief option in the ruck if we don't want to have Harry out of the forward line too long.  Not expecting much but I would throw him the chance and say there's a spot for you if you perform. So if Hewett Cuningham and Young are the 3 ins, who of the 4 possible outs keeps his spot.  That is a tough one.  Hollands was busiest but too often ineffective.  Fantasia ineffective again and has really only the one good performance.  Cottrell was poor but first up after a long break probably should have come back via the 2s,  Question is having had the run do you back him to step up or do you send him back to the 2s to get miles in the legs.  Kemp slaughtered but shouldn't have been asked to stand Hogan, so I give him a Mulligan and he is the one who survives - besides which we probably need the extra height especially  for the doggies so even though the changes aren't like for like I think that is actually a good thing.

Without looking at the Bulldogs lineup to contemplate specific matchups something like:
Newman   McGovern Young
Saad          Weitering   Kemp
Acres         Cripps        E Hollands
Cincotta     McKay      Williams
Kennedy    Curnow     Owies
TDK            Hewett     Walsh
Boyd Cerra Cowan Fogarty Cuningham

If Weiters injury bad enough to rest him I'd bring in Durdin (been in better form than Marchbank and more genuine key position) and let him and Young compete for the 2nd KD spot.  If both fall flat the incentive is there for Marchbank or we just live with the single KD structure for want of anyone putting their hand up.

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@blueianh‍ I've always said you have to reward form, it's critical to keep the positive reinforcement going as much as possible.

Some players just need the confidence boost and they can go to another level.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

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Id have the clubs pecking order of the backup players who play KP defense to be:
1: Marchbank
2: Le.Young
3: S. Durdin
The only criteria that would change that for me would be the opposition having 200cm plus Forwards which the Dogs do
and I would see Lewis Young being more of a chance to be selected this week especially if Weitering needs to be rested which I think he does.

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Quote from: ElwoodBlues1 – on
Id have the clubs pecking order of the backup players who play KP defense to be:
1: Marchbank
2: Le.Young
3: S. Durdin
The only criteria that would change that for me would be the opposition having 200cm plus Forwards which the Dogs do
and I would see Lewis Young being more of a chance to be selected this week especially if Weitering needs to be rested which I think he does.

Problem with Lewis Young is you don't know what version you'll get from him. His form from a couple years ago was brilliant. His form since then has been largely terrible.
Picking him might give you cover for an injury if he is playing well.
Picking him might also lose you the game with the amount of goals he leaks if he is not playing well.

Marchbank is more consistent, but there isn't always a matchup for him.