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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #120
We seem to have the draw from hell.
Recently played all top eight sides some undefeated with a long injury list and now past two games we have played teams that are fighting for survival. This time of year you prefer to play teams in top eight that are slightly complacent than teams fighting to get into the eight as their hunger will always be higher.
our run home was rated as one of the easiest, and it is. We should have beaten the Giants and Was who are both below us. If we lose agains NM (and it wouldn't surprise me if we do), we have no right to blame anyone but ourselves. Our run home is soft and if we were a "real" 2nd placed team, we wouldnt lose a game from here on.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #121
We were dead set kissed on the dick with all the other game results. I'm not one for looking at other games to determine our fait but you could not have better scripted this weeks (and some of last weeks) result.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #122
On reflection, the Dishlickers actually showed us how to play 'contest and pressure'... our claimed brand.

Also on reflection, and plain to see, we seemed a little confused; second guessing ourselves; reactive - trying to be too many things rather than simply playing to our strengths. And where has being the hunters and initiators gone?

Seems many have noticed a certain 'got ahead of ourselves/arrogance' in the past two games - bathwater gulping? Let's remember that arrogance is a lofty confidence devoid of humility. And let's note that sitting 2nd on the ladder with six games remaining is not a major achievement... yet. It's a very good progress that could change in an instant with continued poor 'above the shoulders' attitude, and/or a cocky flirting with form attitude.

We seem to look our best with midfielders, in 'bull' order, Cripps, Kennedy, Hewett, Cincotta, Cerra & Walsh. Kennedy & Hewett have been sorely missed in the past two weeks, and playing to our strength of stoppage dominators.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #123
I read numerous articles last week on how Cripps has changed his game allowing others to win the ball so gets the second posession. Pretty sure that's Hewett and Kennedy.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #124
I read numerous articles last week on how Cripps has changed his game allowing others to win the ball so gets the second posession. Pretty sure that's Hewett and Kennedy.

Agreed but it is difficult for them to get first possession from the substitute seat or the VFL.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #125
I read numerous articles last week on how Cripps has changed his game allowing others to win the ball so gets the second posession. Pretty sure that's Hewett and Kennedy.
It's good that the load is shared, and in Hewett's absence we had a Midfield rotation including Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hollands, Fogarty and Kennedy(From 2nd Qtr.), hardly the bare cupboard fans are painting.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #126
It's good that the load is shared, and in Hewett's absence we had a Midfield rotation including Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hollands, Fogarty and Kennedy(From 2nd Qtr.), hardly the bare cupboard fans are painting.

Expecting 'bull' work from Fog, Ollie & Walsh is a folly. Our 'bulls' are Crippa, Kennedy, Cincotta and Hewett. Walsh and Cerra are better on the outside and Fog in the small forward mix.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #127
Unfortunately Cerra after missing 6 weeks with his second hammy this year isn't at George's level yet

Luckily results went our way that we haven't dropped out of the top 4 while we wait for Cerra and Cottrell to find their touch.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #128
Expecting 'bull' work from Fog, Ollie & Walsh is a folly. Our 'bulls' are Crippa, Kennedy, Cincotta and Hewett. Walsh and Cerra are better on the outside and Fog in the small forward mix.
That's not the point, the mix doesn't matter it's the sharing of the load that gets a team across the line. We mentioned many times in the past if we don't find ways to share the load we will run the likes of Cripps prematurely into the ground.

As for having a substitute Cripps, it's a fantasy, there is no "other Cripps".

Good tradespeople look after their tools.

Fog, Walsh, Cincotta, etc., can do what gets done to Cripps, and harass, chase and dump the likes of Bont or others. At the weekend, Bont often stood of the back of the stoppages and played a sweeper role, coming in as the 2nd or 3rd player, and he was doing so largely unchecked.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #129
Match committee has let us down for a second week in a row.  
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #130
That's not the point, the mix doesn't matter it's the sharing of the load that gets a team across the line. We mentioned many times in the past if we don't find ways to share the load we will run the likes of Cripps prematurely into the ground.

As for having a substitute Cripps, it's a fantasy, there is no "other Cripps".

Good tradespeople look after their tools.

Fog, Walsh, Cincotta, etc., can do what gets done to Cripps, and harass, chase and dump the likes of Bont or others. At the weekend, Bont often stood of the back of the stoppages and played a sweeper role, coming in as the 2nd or 3rd player, and he was doing so largely unchecked.
Bont did a lot of the monkey work pushing the ball out to other players because he was covered and I think he led the tackle count too with nine and had eight clearances as well, he was kept under wraps by Cincotta and friends but still found a way to contribute and is a class act.
 We had a lot of players get a lot of ball and led most stats but it never looked that way in the game and Im sure Voss and crew will be scratching their heads trying to figure how we lost if you look at the stats in isolation but as we know its more about the big moments in the game than amassing cheap stats.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #131
That's not the point, the mix doesn't matter it's the sharing of the load that gets a team across the line. We mentioned many times in the past if we don't find ways to share the load we will run the likes of Cripps prematurely into the ground.

As for having a substitute Cripps, it's a fantasy, there is no "other Cripps".

Good tradespeople look after their tools.

Fog, Walsh, Cincotta, etc., can do what gets done to Cripps, and harass, chase and dump the likes of Bont or others. At the weekend, Bont often stood of the back of the stoppages and played a sweeper role, coming in as the 2nd or 3rd player, and he was doing so largely unchecked.

Yes, good trades people look after their tools. Better trades people look after their tools and also use the right tools for the job.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #132
Bont did a lot of the monkey work pushing the ball out to other players because he was covered and I think he led the tackle count too with nine and had eight clearances as well, he was kept under wraps by Cincotta and friends but still found a way to contribute and is a class act.
 We had a lot of players get a lot of ball and led most stats but it never looked that way in the game and Im sure Voss and crew will be scratching their heads trying to figure how we lost if you look at the stats in isolation but as we know its more about the big moments in the game than amassing cheap stats.

I reckon based on the presser and efficiency comments voss is aware of where it went wrong.  Doing not much with a lot is what I take out of it.  They were on top for most of it, we had our chances and kept taking the wrong options which hurts.  We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off which is why we might look at more creative better users next week against North.  Martin might feature.  I think we should consider it given its a relative free hit.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #133
I reckon based on the presser and efficiency comments voss is aware of where it went wrong.  Doing not much with a lot is what I take out of it.  They were on top for most of it, we had our chances and kept taking the wrong options which hurts.  We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off which is why we might look at more creative better users next week against North.  Martin might feature.  I think we should consider it given its a relative free hit.
Agree, wouldnt call myself a rusted on Martin fan but his best is very good and he usually plays a couple of decent games coming back from injury and while his form in the twos wasnt anything special I think he will present more problems to Nth than Motlop or Fantasia and would see him a more suitable replacement for ZW and Id be taking the gamble.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #134
Coaches' votes :

9 Bailey Dale (WB)
9 Jamarra Ugle-Hagan (WB)
6 Patrick Cripps (CARL)
4 Rhylee West (WB)
1 Jacob Weitering (CARL)
1 Marcus Bontempelli (WB)