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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #135 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
We did the right thing early applying scoreboard pressure when they didn't but it started falling apart when Williams went off .............
A lot of fans still want to pot him, but Williams has some presence when we do and when we don't have the footy, some of the other forwards should take notice because behind BigH and Charlie I think Williams is quickly looking like the next selected each week.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #136 –
With Mrs Baggers away for the week on work, yours truly has indulged himself today in watching a few replays of our games over the past month or so.

Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.

Fortunately, and hopefully, all is not lost... shouldn't take much to regain and even build on the boldness, hunting and ruthlessness... and kick the meekness, confusion and niceness to the shizen. Coaches, time for sternness, sharp focus and challenge to our chargers, yourselves, and the MC... player not in good form? - FO. We have it in us.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #137 –
I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds.  Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #138 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds.  Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.
Maybe another umpire on the field might be able to pick up all this illegal off the ball stuff?
The other four just seem to be ball watching or checking the crazy hand signals from the other lime green, pink maggot.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #139 –
Quote from: Professer E – on
I'm wondering if the Bullies used a few tricky tactics on Weeters and others (at stoppages) such as a lot of marginal blocks and holds.  Id rather we got exposed to crap like that in season and get an opportunity to be educated by it, rather that flunk against it in October/September.
I thought Ugle Hagan gave up trying to outmuscle JW where he got out marked every contest, got on the move and tested those corkies by making him run a bit more and chase him around. When that happens you have to be prepared to make the move and stick a more mobile player on the FF. He did get blocked at times but I felt the Dogs change in tactics was more of an issue, I saw Marchbank picking up West at one stage and then saw they had taken Darcy off and were running a smaller forward line and we didnt adjust.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #140 –
That sounds like lazy coaching from our end EB, maybe more than the players need a reminder to sort things out
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #141 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
With Mrs Baggers away for the week on work, yours truly has indulged himself today in watching a few replays of our games over the past month or so.

Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.

Fortunately, and hopefully, all is not lost... shouldn't take much to regain and even build on the boldness, hunting and ruthlessness... and kick the meekness, confusion and niceness to the shizen. Coaches, time for sternness, sharp focus and challenge to our chargers, yourselves, and the MC... player not in good form? - FO. We have it in us.
Your reference to "niceness" is on the money Baggers. David King spoke about it today on SEN. Gerard Whately asked him about the ruck situation at Carlton and he immediately switched the conversation to what he saw as the real issue - we are getting beat up in the contests around the ball. He specifically mentioned firstly Cerra then Walsh. Good, skilful players he said, but can they handle finals like pressure when the opposition come at them physically?  I think he has valid points and I think oppo teams now see this as the way to get on top of us. It's not panic stations, but we need to sort it out. 
Now my 2 cents worth on how TDK fits into this. When he is rucking at centre bounces, he becomes another midfielder when the ball hits the ground and an aggressive one at that. We need this.
In summary, we get pushed around too easily, sometimes illegally. We neec to harden the screw up and stop trying to just play nice football. Crippa is a nice guy, but on the field he has controlled aggression because it means a lot to him. Maybe it just doesn't mean enough to some of the others? In Walsh's defence, it means a lot to him as well but he has to learn to cope with blocks, tags etc.
Get some mongrel back and the rest of our game will click into gear.
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Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #142 –
Yep, Pertzy. Just watched the King comments. Seems we saw the same glaring issues.

About time we started playing like a Vossy coached side. FFS, don't our coaches realize we're at our best with a ruthless hunting mindset?

You could see the frustration of some of our guys who do have a nice dash of 'mongrel.' Newman was clearly p*ssed off as was Boyd... and mistakes ensued. Ditto Walshy. But way too many others just surrendered to being clacker chasers. Kennedy and Hewett are not the surrendering types. No wonder Crippa didn't want to be chaired off, he must have been really disappointed at his teammates lack of boldness.

On TDK. The bloke is a ruck/mid and is at his best on the ball, which gives him far more impact on the game. When up forward he is just too constrained and becomes a shadow of his potential.
Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #143 –
Quote from: Baggers – on

Apart from what has been written about thus far, one other thing stood out - niceness. Watching us against GWS & the Dishlickers was like watching a different side against, say, the Pussycats. In the past coupla weeks, gone is the ruthless hunting, boldness and cold efficiency. Crikey, when the Pussycats came at us (in the 3rd) we came back at them like an avalanche (9gl last qtr). When challenged by the Dishlickers and GWS... meekness, niceness, timidness. Tried, but with no authority or conviction.

Boom!  This^^^^
We need to be unsocialable again.
2025... Moir of the same to come

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #144 –
Weightman got his knee into Weiters back a few times and the hurt showed in the end. GWS went with the knee to him as well.
 If I was coaching against us in a final the instructions would be very clear, knee to Weiters at ever opportunity.
I don't think Weiters did himself any favors when he said that he can bleed easily which is why the corkies seem so painful to him.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #145 –
"Good, skilful players he said, but can they handle finals like pressure when the opposition come at them physically? "

Gee Walsh didn't do a bad job last year, in his first finals campaign!!!

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #146 –
Quote from: BluePhantom – on
Boom!  This^^^^
We need to be unsocialable again.
We tend to become unsociable when we feel like it. Think it will start occurring again as we get closer to finals. when we are fully switched no no-ones beats us as we tend to crumple the opposition. Hard to do all year though. Richmond used to be on an off in that regard but they really become "on "when it mattered. Only need to be just up there and rouadabout at this stage then  lift in the run home.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #147 –
Quote from: Baggers – on
About time we started playing like a Vossy coached side. FFS, don't our coaches realize we're at our best with a ruthless hunting mindset?
I don't think anybody doubts that, the problem @Baggers it might not be sustainable week in and week out.

Fans want a lot of stuff, they want Charlie and / or Harry kicking 10, they want TDK solo dominating, they want Cripps BoG, they want Walsh with 30+ and Weiters with a dozen intercepts in front of a scoreless opponent, but want isn't reality, it's not even reality for one game let alone week after week.

We need a spread of methods, we need some easy wins, we need some gritty wins, we need ways to win with small forwards, and ways to win with KPPs, in summary we need many ways to find a win, but by definition having multiple avenues to victory will mean some weeks certain players are in roles that won't see then in the spotlight.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #148 –
Quote from: LP – on
I don't think anybody doubts that, the problem @Baggers it might not be sustainable week in and week out.

Fans want a lot of stuff, they want Charlie and / or Harry kicking 10, they want TDK solo dominating, they want Cripps BoG, they want Walsh with 30+ and Weiters with a dozen intercepts in front of a scoreless opponent, but want isn't reality, it's not even reality for one game let alone week after week.

We need a spread of methods, we need some easy wins, we need some gritty wins, we need ways to win with small forwards, and ways to win with KPPs, in summary we need many ways to find a win, but by definition having multiple avenues to victory will mean some weeks certain players are in roles that won't see then in the spotlight.

I agree Pat. That sort of high, manic pressure is impossible to maintain for every quarter of every match. There's a reason why even the very top teams drop a handful of games every year.

Re: AFL Rd 18 2024 Post Game Prognostications Carlton vs Western Bulldogs

Reply #149 –
Quote from: bratblue – on
Weightman got his knee into Weiters back a few times and the hurt showed in the end. GWS went with the knee to him as well.
 If I was coaching against us in a final the instructions would be very clear, knee to Weiters at ever opportunity.
I don't think Weiters did himself any favors when he said that he can bleed easily which is why the corkies seem so painful to him.

I was thinking the exact same thing - many including the media just think our man is unlucky getting these corkies every week. Wish our forwards had some mongrel in them to give the same treatment to opposition interceptors.