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Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #240 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
Still been involved in 11 games (albeit some as the sub or subbed off), but look at Motlop, 4 goals in 4 games.......and they are games we've been terrible in, not the dominant side that Durdin played in.

He has been the sub 4 times.

Issue with our small forwards is they just don't get enough of it.   Motlop 8-10 times a game.  Owies 8-9.   Durdin 5-7.   Fantasia 7-8.

Either by design or by ability they all have no impact offensively.    Owies to his credit is an accurate shot at goal and makes the most of his opportunities.    Unlike the rest of our forward line. 

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #241 –
Quote from: Shakin77 – on
He has been the sub 4 times.

Issue with our small forwards is they just don't get enough of it.   Motlop 8-10 times a game.  Owies 8-9.   Durdin 5-7.   Fantasia 7-8.

Either by design or by ability they all have no impact offensively.    Owies to his credit is an accurate shot at goal and makes the most of his opportunities.    Unlike the rest of our forward line. 

Not so sure it's the fault of the small forwards. Our entire front half offense seems to be to 'kick it to Charlie, kick it to H,' and opposition side know that and set up accordingly and defend accordingly. Our small forwards try to get to the feet of H and Charlie, but, again, opposition defenses put plenty of time into being at the feet of H and Charlie to negate or shark it from our small forwards.

Vossy made that same error at BrisVegas... everything was about Jono B and Fev.

Tomorrow we get a look at our side with a smaller forward line and how the blokes up field respond to that. High kicks into our forward line will be picked up nicely by the Weagles defense. Will be intriguing to see our offensive strategy tomorrow arvo.

Only our ruthless best, from Board to bootstudders will get us no. 17

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #243 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Both have had disappointing years.
I suppose we could ask, are they unlucky to play in poor results, or are they the cause of poor results.

But no matter the answer they aren't performing to AFL standards.

Other than Owies, are any of the other potential SFs regularly playing at AFL standard, the answer seems to be no!

Obviously, we aren't discussing Williams or E Hollands in this category, most would see them as utilities. In some way those two seemingly more effective in F50 crumbing roles is another damning observation about of SFs.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #244 –
At the start of this round, we were first in points for. If we apply the logic of "if it ain't broke.....", then our forward structure and personnel appear to be working well. I understand the arms race that is professional sport, and a large part of continuous improvement is also continuous finding fault. But if time and resources are limited (as they most surely are), then we need to focus on defending, whether it's stoppage / D50 / clearance, which is really killing us.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #245 –
Quote from: PaulP – on
At the start of this round, we were first in points for. If we apply the logic of "if it ain't broke.....", then our forward structure and personnel appear to be working well.
I'd argue that in the context of our poor ball use entering F50, we should be even further ahead for points for.

We have two Coleman Medallists in F50, only Geelong have that at this time, yet as you point out we've scored heavier than Geelong.

We have a Midfield that is typically dominant, feeding two Coleman medallists, with centre clearance dominance.

Much like Brad Scott described CheatsFC as underperforming in context of clearance dominance, so have we despite being strong in points for, it's easy to see our positive points for result and become complacent.

Now the numbers in isolation are relatively small differences, but when you consider how many close results we've lost, 5 or 6 under two goals, a dozen or two extra scores from centre clearances could make a huge difference. Put a couple of decent ball users on the end of Cripps, Walsh, Cerra, Hewett, etc., etc.. and we could be sitting pretty.

Finally, for me it's not just how many are effective F50 entries, it's the how and where, given such dominance a lot of our successful entries are wide and shallow, it just shouldn't be the case. Some of the poor results get masked by Charlie's accuracy at long range.
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #247 –
People moan about our smalls but Charlie is capable of roving to himself and snapping quickly.
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #248 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
One because hes been injured.
One because hes been crap
neither have been fit.

Durdin works harder defensively than motlop.  He might kick more if he was lazier and reserved his efforts for see ball get ball kick goal but let's not let that get in the way.

"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #249 –
Durdins problem is he can't get the ball enough during a game, a couple of extra tackles doesn't make up for the lack of possessions. We need a small forward like Ginnivan who can work up the ground and get his 15 possies and help the midfielders deliver the ball forward.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #251 –
Corey Durdin is no where near productive enough for AFL football

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #252 –
If it's a wet track, what out for Williams, he seems to revel in those confitions.

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #253 –
I dunno why the cokers are walking around with the head wobbles, still a few decent players running around for the blues, suspect Cripps might take the nasty pills today too.
DrE is no more... you ok with that harmonica man?

Re: AFL Rd 23 2024 Pre Game Prognostications Carlton vs West Coast in Perth

Reply #254 –
Anyone else quietly a little terrified about what might happen today 😣