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Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #90 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
The rumour is that docherty is in line for a recall next game and is in full training.

Just in time.  He's probably the one who helps us in two positions at once. 
I'm so unsure of the benefit of this but boy, if he does play what a great story it will be. Even better if he helps get us over the line

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Reply #91 –
Can Voss play? Tackled a car thief this morning apparently.
2012 HAPPENED!!!!!!!

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Reply #92 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Can Voss play? Tackled a car thief this morning apparently.
I thought the same thing when I read it.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #93 –
Quote from: madbluboy – on
Can Voss play? Tackled a car thief this morning apparently.

I don't think there's a match-up next game....I may be wrong.

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Reply #94 –
Quote from: Gointocarlton – on
I thought the same thing when I read it.
reckon there's one pretty sore and sorry car thief getting around Melbourne today
The Ox is slow but I'm running out of patience.

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Reply #95 –
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
reckon there's one pretty sore and sorry car thief getting around Melbourne today
Probably threw a few sneaky rib ticklers in
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

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Reply #97 –
Quote from: Sexybronco – on
Reckon he would have loved it!

Would hate a scrap Vossy ay?
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #99 –
Voss is all smiles, humour and reasonableness until you get into a competition with him.

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Reply #100 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Voss is all smiles, humour and reasonableness until you get into a competition with him.
He would have been an animal to play against. Rarely beaten for long periods of time such was the competitiveness. Blokes like Doull went about it quietly, Vossy was loud and in your face.
2021-Pi$$ or get off the pot
2022- Real Deal or more of the same? 0.6%
2023- "Raise the Standard" - M. Voss Another year wasted Bar Set
2024-Back to the drawing boardNo excuses, its time
2025-Carlton can win the 2025 AFL Premiership

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #101 –
Quote from: Blue Moon – on
Voss is all smiles, humour and reasonableness until you get into a competition with him.
Supposedly responsible for the greatest on-the-mark sledge of all time - brother Brett, playing for St Kilda, was lining up for goal and Vossy was on the mark.  As he was about to kick, Vossy yelled 'my dad f***ed your mum last night!'

 ;D  
This is now the longest premiership drought in the history of the Carlton Football Club - more evidence of climate change?

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Reply #102 –
Quote from: tonyo – on
Supposedly responsible for the greatest on-the-mark sledge of all time - brother Brett, playing for St Kilda, was lining up for goal and Vossy was on the mark.  As he was about to kick, Vossy yelled 'my dad f***ed your mum last night!'
That's about as brutal as they get!
"Extremists on either side will always meet in the Middle!"

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #103 –
Quote from: kruddler – on
The reason i bring up 'the stats sheet' is because i disagree with peoples opinions on how 'good' Fantasia is, has been, ever will be.

We can get into a "No he's not" vs "Yes he is" argument,
OR
I can bring something new to the table.

I don't need stats to form an opinion.
I use stats to back up my opinion.

Motlop being 'garbage' all season is funny.
I did a like for like comparison of averages between Motlop and Fantasia and Motlop has him covered in almost every single stat.....and there is like 40 stats.
So if Motlop is garbage, what is the level below garbage because thats where Fantasia sits.

On the basis of this season, Fantasia has outperformed durdin and motlop.  That should mean next week, he's the one most likely in.

Moir is young, but happy to have him play, provided we don't need heavy lifting.

Fact is, that Fantasia has played more like durdin did against the Eagles, and Motlop hasn't really been one to work up the field.  That's fine, but stats generally tell you what a bloke does on the ball.  Not what he does off it.  It doesn't tell you what runs they make that aren't honoured, what options they take when in possession (I.e. picking off a dangerous kick) or when impacting the game did they do it when we had the ascendency or didn't.  Fantasia input on Sunday was when we weren't on top but cripps was doing a mountain of work and looking for blokes to come with him.  Fantasia chimed in.  Motlop and durdins inputs happened when we were trying to get back in front and more of the others came back into the game.

Everyone provided something.  At the time Fantasia did more when we needed it and IMHO I think anyone playing motlops role would likely have given us the same as he did.

That's why if I was choosing spot 23 next week and I had to toss up between motlop and Fantasia, provided owies was already in (runs on the board) I'd choose Fantasia.

On capability and future output you could argue any of them aside from Fantasia but given both of their last seasons (Fantasia wasn't fit, motlop "was") motlop has had the more dissapointing season.  That's ok.  We aren't talking list spots which serves only to muddy the argument, but Fantasia has played  better and his presence in the team has correlated with generally better team performance. 
"everything you know is wrong"

Paul Hewson

Re: AFL Finals 2024 Carlton vs Brisbane in Brisbane

Reply #104 –
Quote from: Thryleon – on
On the basis of this season, Fantasia has outperformed durdin and motlop. 
An opinion.

An unbiased view. Click the below for head to head comparison.
You will need to change from 'career' to '2024...'
You can change the area the stats look at, scoring/defence/possessions etc.
Fantasia v Motlop

Motlop has him covered.

Fantasia is 'above average' in just 1 stat. Goal assists.
Fantasia is 'below average' or 'average' in every other stat....and there is over 40 of them.

Motlop is 'above average' in 10 stats. Some better than others.
Motlop is 'below average' or 'average' in the rest.

If you add Goal assists and goals together, they both average 1.5 goal (or goal assists) a game, so they generate the same amount of scoring each. Just so happens that Fantasia gets more assists and Motlop gets more goals, but they are equivalent.

People talk about Fantasias pressure as to why he is in the side.
Motlop has him beaten in all pressure stat averages this year, Spoils, tackles, TI50, pressure acts (although Fantasia has more defensive half pressure acts, he has less pressure acts overall)